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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Do any of the other countries have Native communities living in Third World conditions with either bad water, little water or even no water?

I always find it hilarious that anyone ranks Canada in any First World metric when everyone just glosses over the fact that portions of the population live in complete poverty by design.

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

For the record, I agree with you - I live in Manitoba, with the highest indigenous and Metis population and a poor province. First Nation's people still suffer deep inequality and systemic barriers to success. That's the disclaimer.

Canada has made a tremendous amount of progress socially and systemically in a very short period of time. 30 years ago residential schools were still operating. Many forms of discrimination were still legal and socially accepted. Open racism was much worse. Many more communities had no water supplies and no economic prospects, and no federal government support.

Canada has a long way to go - hundreds of years of oppression cannot be undone in 30 years. But the fact that we're able to make progress so quickly is indicative of the fact that our society is free to push for these sorts of changes and see results. We have an Indigenous premier! That would have been entirely unthinkable just a third of a lifetime ago. Many forms of discrimination have been made illegal, federal funds have been directed for direct and indirect support, water plants have been built, languages are being taught and preserved, and the social perspectives are massively different. We have much work to do, but I don't think we should be dismissive of the systems that have allowed us to do lots of work already.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago

Freedom is not well-being. We're free to express frustrations, demands and desires, however government doesn't feel obligated to act on it... So scores are probably right (for the moment) but it does not translates to human rights charter being fully implemented/supported by government.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Canada needs to have a higher representation of indigenous representatives in government like New Zealand does however they still have issues with inequality.

[–] DevotedOtter@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

After looking at the stats, it seems Maori are rather fairly represented in terms of their population (25% in parliament vs 17% of general population), however the quality of life for Maori is still below that of other ethnicities in terms of health and life expectancy.

The current government is rather corrupt (seen through my viewpoint as a kiwi, not USA levels) and hasn't done the Maori population any favours.

We may be more free, but not everything is rosy.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Many indigenous people run, and win, under the Conservative and Liberal banner. You have clearly made your points regarding your feelings on those two parties, but you are also saying we need more representation.

What steps are you taking personally to see more representation in Government regarding indigenous people? Would you vote Conservative or Liberal to see more of that representation?

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

Imagine how bad others have it.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

The freedom you're looking for costs resources. They're more about that $0, feelgud freedom.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Canada rank 31 in potable water. Not great but notable countries with worst ranking include:

Greese

Norway

Japan

USA

Switzerland

Italy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_access_to_clean_water

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

It's hilarious when you think of the fact that most of Canada is nothing but large areas of freshwater .... especially in the province where I am from 'Ontario', an indigenous word that is in reference to 'great lake' or 'sparkling water', generally a reference to 'fresh water'

It's also frustrating in northern Ontario where we are literally surrounded by fresh water lakes and rivers, yet it is the same part of the country where many semi-remote and very remote communities either have little water, dirty water, tainted water or just no water.

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

That's a bit misleading. The same table says that 99.04% of the population of Canada has access to clean water. Those 30 ahead of us are only ahead by decimals of a percentage point.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 5 points 3 days ago

We do have native populations that have been mistreated. I don’t think we’ve apologised for the eugenics.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We’re behind countries with proportional representation once again. We the electorate must heavily pressure the 2 big parties to pass electoral reform.

!fairvote@lemmy.ca

[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honest question: do you work for Fair Vote? I get their emails, so I am down with the goal, but I see you explicitly link to the community (where you're a mod) a lot.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

No, I’m not currently signed up to volunteer with them as I really personally believe in the proportional representation reform and the organization has not endorsed the community.

That’s why the community has the unofficial disclaimer.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

USA is in free fall

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How does USA score so high? It should be trending into transition territory since citizens have been detained without due process and people disagreeing with the administration disappear or having funding revoked to keep them hushed

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How does USA score so high?

The period studied was June 1, 2023 – May 31, 2024.

Long before Trump was re-elected.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Ah, next period will be interesting

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

I'm pretty skeptical about this result, but if you think about a perfect 100 points not as a marker of true ideal freedom and prosparity, but rather a degree of freedom from blatant easily quantifiable oppression (in other words reverse the numbers and mark it as the oppression index), then the result does sound more reasonable.

Canada has made great strides and is ahead in many ways, but that's because so many major countries have such high degree of public oppression. We're one of the best in a quite dystopic world, which really isn't saying much when you are looking at ideas, and which also means we still have a massive amount to go.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago

Good job! Prepare for influx of refugees

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

wait until after election. Something tells me that two main contenders are eyeing to curb some freedoms to various degrees. Arguably Conservatives being on a more authoritarian track with Liberals tracking not too far behind

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Something tells me that two main contenders are eyeing to curb some freedoms to various degrees. Arguably Conservatives being on a more authoritarian track with Liberals tracking not too far behind

What could possibly be telling you that a Carney led Liberal Government would lead to an Authoritarian Government?