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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (15 children)

Half of Lemmy hates democrats more than they hate republicans. I suspects that’s why you are getting all of these downvotes for that opinion. Though I might change “moderate reform” to “extremely mild reform.”

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 16 hours ago (14 children)

I know that's the reason why I'm getting downvotes. Luckily, because this is Lemmy, downvotes don't really mean much.

It is just funny that you see this back and forth between how people here will never vote for Democrats yet they'll make these grand statements on how Democrats, without their support, should act.

[–] TheresNodiee@lemm.ee 5 points 15 hours ago (13 children)

You don't vote for a political party in the hopes that you might be able to push them to represent your interests, you vote for a party who WILL represent your interests.

What kind of fucking power do you have to influence a political party when you tell them that "I will vote for you no matter what you do, but please pretty please be nice to me"?

I swear liberals sound like they're in an abusive relationship with the Democratic party. "They promised it would be better if I go back to them this time. I'm sure it's going to be completely different now!"

It's the Democrats fucking JOB to convince people up vote for them. Don't blame the people if the party can't convince them.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

You don't vote for a political party in the hopes that you might be able to push them to represent your interests, you vote for a party who WILL represent your interests.

In a true democracy, yes. That is what you would do.

In a false democracy, like Russia, you would ignore the rigged elections entirely and focus on agitating for the implementation of democracy.

But in a flawed democracy, you have a system where the elections are not exactly rigged, but where you do not have truly proportional representation.

In such a system, your primary focus should be on fixing the system. The closer to a true democracy this is, the easier it will be to accomplish via reform, although one should not discount direct action. However, when an opportunity to vote arises, you should take it. You can't afford to spend all your effort on elections, but ignoring your opportunity to do some harm reduction would be ineffective.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

In such a system, your primary focus should be on fixing the system.

If you're talking about the USA, there isn't really a way forwards within the system. It's effectively rigged. The only way to gain useful power in that system is to work out of it. A vote is free, use it, but in a system that broken, that vote is almost worthless and cannot solve the problem.

The US federal election is a two-party system with FPTP, making other parties very very very difficult to elect and easy to demonize as a 'wasted vote' helping the worse of the main two parties to win. Both of the major parties benefit from this duopoly and have no interest in reforming the election to allow better parties to gain seats. The Democrats didn't even doing much on removing voter suppression when they had the power to, there are so many easy wins they could make if they cared.
Consolidation of mass media under private owners, combined with the general concentration of wealth and its political influence, give the owner class effective control over which candidates are presented in a positive light and therefore more likely to be known and popular. You can't make a federal candidate viable without the support of the owning class, and they won't support a candidate who isn't enriching them. The selections are rigged.

It may be a flawed democracy on paper, but when you account for the surrounding conditions, the people don't have the power to choose their leaders. It's as false as Russia's.

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