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DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump (truthout.org)

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The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

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[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (67 children)

So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?

Primary them sure. Try and snag it back. But you won't turn your next vote red. You know that. And they know that. And I sure as fuck won't do it either. The DNC can rot. But...

You can and should blame the two party system sure. But if you don't primary and win. Well. We've seen that before again and again.

I'm a progressive that will vote blue again. Reluctantly. Emphatically so. But I will.

The posturing of principals means nothing in our political reality. And it pisses me off. But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 2 days ago (23 children)

But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

Yeah so... uh... That kinda goes both ways. I've made this argument before so I'm just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just...

Have you ever heard of gambler's ruin? It's the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:

In statistics, gambler's ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.

Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.

To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Your metaphor is flawed. Opting out does not save you anything because voting doesn't cost you anything in the first place. If you got a free bet, why wouldn't you take it?

It's more like we're on a sinking ship and bailing water. The ship is going down if we don't patch the hole, but bailing water still buys us time so that we can make more attempts to patch the hole. Except in this metaphor, bailing is something that takes maybe an hour of your time once every two years.

[–] Rancor_Tangerine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dems aren't helping the ship stay afloat. They're stopping the people from patching the hole because they're "powerless". Dems and Reps aren't the same because they're equally as bad, they're the same because they're on the same team. They're both shameless fascists.

[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ok but one of the shameless fascists isn't deporting innocent people to a prison in el salvador or denying women healthcare

[–] Rancor_Tangerine@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

They are doing that. They're on the same team. Biden didn't stop any of this. Lol. They're literally the same team, not figuratively, but they are literally working together to push the same agenda.

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