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Schumer didn't cave. He didn't vote to end the shutdown. Put the blame where it belongs.
He caved in exchange for a vote he knew would fail and logrolled the votes so that the I'll informed would think he didnt have a hand in it.
The shutdown was painful, but what comes next will be a lot more painful.
No, he did not cave because he did not vote for the stopgap. He was not involved in the group of Democrats that negotiated with Republicans. Saying he "caved" is 100% false.
The vote passed, it didn't fail. Somehow I'm not surprised that such fundamental details are lost on you. Assuming you meant he knew that it would pass, you have no proof whatsoever to back up the assertion that he only voted against it due to that and not due to other reasons. No, your hatred of Schumer and "establishment" Democrats is not proof.
Angus King isn't even a Democrat.
You guys can't seem to decide if Schumer is all-powerful or completely powerless.
I agree. Ending the shut down was a mistake and killed momentum they had gained from recent elections. Not too mention giving credence to the idea that they're weak. The eight Senators who voted for the stopgap are the ones we should be criticizing but I never see them named in these threads. You're not interested in the truth, you're only interested in furthering your agenda.
You're deliberately misreading what I said, and if you think that he didn't know or wasn't part of the negotiation as to exactly who was going to vote to end the shutdown amongst senators who wanted it to end but didn't want their fingerprints on it, I have several pieces of waterfront property for sale. For their part, senators Durbin, King, Hassan, Shaheen, Masto, Rozen, Fetterman and Kaine should not have a place within the Democratic party (Also Manchin, Sinema had she not already fucked off of her own accord).
If you want to be a pedant, there has been no vote on the ACA subsidies other than a failed cloture vote. The vote to re-open the govt passed. The agreement to have a vote on the ACA subsidies was the "compromise" that was the condition of voting to pass the appropriations bill and end the shutdown.
Schumer is neither all-powerful or completely powerless, but he is the leader of his party in the Senate, so he is ultimately responsible for actions taken by Senate democrats. He is either insufficiently committed or insufficiently competent, for the family who's health insurance costs become unaffordable, it doesn't really matter which.
Dems are weak because they can't win elections because they fail to deliver results (because they can't win elections). The shutdown was the only real lever that they were able to pull unilaterally, they picked the right hill to die on, and ultimately accomplished nothing.
My agenda is being able to leave my job for a year to focus on finishing a degree and a couple of professional licenses without completely wiping out what little savings I'm able to scrape together by delaying every other financial goal and for my peers to have an easier time with similar hard choices. Whatever makes that happen, yeah, I'm fine with.