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When was the last time the Democrats held 50+ percent in both houses to pass legislation without needing to cooperate? Believe it was Obama for 2 months in 2009. So all complaining about this for the last decade has been moot.
We had exactly 60 seats for all of like two effective weeks in 2009, due to various issues. And not only that, a good portion of the dems in that coalition were blue dogs - senators from IA, ND, IN, and MO.
People acting like we've had 30+ Bernies in the caucus are weird.
It seems like that’s exactly the point, progressive democrats are very few and not even that progressive except for a few outliers.
I agree, that's why we need to replace around 70% of them, maybe 80%
Sounds better to start a whole new party instead of fight the entrenched majority.
Howso? Most people understand that third parties are counterproductive spoilers and won't risk it. You have to destroy one of the entrenched majorities first if you want a new party to accomplish anything.
You say “most people understand”, as though basically every other functioning democracy in the world doesn’t have at least five or more parties sitting in their legislature.
(edit: curious about which of the downvotes are people butthurt about their democracy sucking, which are from bots, and which are from cowardly votescolds who wrongly believe that the path to salvation is to keep whipping people into propping up a failed two-party system that has led to America now being classed as a "Flawed Democracy" for the last 9 years by the Economist Intelligence Unit)
You're getting downvoted because you think pretending the US isn't how it actually is will change it. Either that or you actively want to help the fascists
Surely you destroy one of the major entrenched parties by not voting for them and instead voting for someone else who can than take their place.
Yeah, it's an absolutely unhinged argument to suggest that the only way to a multi-party democracy is to move to a one-party system first. They haven't thought it through at all.
That's the kicker. If you don't have a clean, single-cycle transition then you're handing control to your worst enemies.
If we're going to fracture a party, let's fracture the right. Destroy the worse one first, then siphon from the less worse one once the fracture takes.
Sure, but the us election system makes starting new parties and having them matter almost impossible.
Spoiler effect means magats would just win by default if we tried