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I have been so happy that on lemmy, the copy pasta hating sunfish gets soundly criticized and rejected as anything resembling reality.
However, I still want to take the opportunity to copy/paste in the rebuttal to that copy pasta an anti-pasto of sorts. A biologist took the time on reddit to write it up, and I have it saved in markor with a few minor edits.
Sunfish
From u/tea_and_biology
Zoologist here; the majority of this is so inaccurate the guy is basically angry at a figment of his own imagination, paha. I mean there's hyperbole, and then there's hyperbole. Yikes!
Sunfish are, in fact, well understood and, though clumsy when idly basking, are reasonably accomplished swimmers when diving. They stroke their dorsal and anal fins laterally and in a synchronous manner to generate a lift-based thrust that enables 'em to cruise at speeds of 2-3mph (source), comparable to a whale shark and the perfect speed for suction feeding; ploughing straight into smacks of jellyfish and gobbling 'em all up.
Where they excel amongst fish is their ability to undergo substantial vertical movement in the water column. They possess large deposits of low-density, subcutaneous, gelatinous tissue which, unlike a swim bladder (which would otherwise change volume with hydrostatic pressure), is incompressible, enabling rapid depth changes and keeping them neutrally and stably buoyant independent of surrounding water pressure.
So, yeah, their unusual bodies are basically one big paddle, capable of putting some force behind their swimming to move over considerable distances, descending very deep, very fast.
Dumb. Also incorrect. Jellyfish and other Cnidarians comprise only around 15% of their diet; they mostly eat young fish (including conger eelets) and crustaceans (pelagic crab, krill, copepods etc.), alongside squid, bivalves and other assorted zooplankton. They're generalist predators, not jellyfish specialists like sea turtles (source).
They have a particularly rapid growth rate amongst bony fish, owing much to their unique genetics (source).
They spend the majority of their time actively hunting in the very cold deep (usually at ~200m, but up to 600m) and, being ectotherms, therefore regulate their temperature by basking in the sun, before pursuing another dive. Think of marine iguanas basking on hot rocks between nibble trips.
Sunfish have been kicking about in temperate and tropical waters worldwide for around 50 million years and, until humans arrived on the scene, were overwhelmingly successful in their ecological niche. Sadly they're under threat by human activity and human activity alone - frequently caught as by-catch; having little commercial value, like sharks, their fins are cut off before they're dumped, often still alive, back into the sea to die. If one is to start throwing rocks at terrible creatures, perhaps one should look at us humans first.
Or, there's The visual rebuttal, credit to u/iamnotburgerking
Thank fuck for this copypasta. I remember the hate of sunfish in reddit and didn't know there's a smack down of a reply. I remember watching a ocean documentary years ago and they filmed that thing just zip away when threatened, so in my mind they definitely isn't useless. It's a lovely looking fish and just like blobfish, it's been misrepresented by shithead.
Yeah, I was the same. Just pissed me off that people took what was meant to be a humorous rant and pretended it was factual.
When I ran across tea and crumpets' rebuttal, I saved a copy immediately.
It kinda became a thing I did. I was a mod of r/goodlongposts for a while, and the rant copy pasta would get caught by the bot a lot, so I'd post the rebuttal. I eventually wrote my own for the koala pasta, then discovered it had already been done. There's a panda one and a mosquito one as well. I used to have one for wasps, but I seem to have lost the file at some point. Skeeters and wasps were more for those times when they'd come up as beginning being hated in general, as I never saw any copy/pasta regarding them.
But, last time I went to the beach, I actually ran across idiots wanting to charter a damn boat to go throw rocks at the things. Which was stupid on multiple levels. But it shows how bad info can spread, so I always feel justified in pasting in the better info.
Humerous rant or not it seems reasonable to assume its basic claims about the animal are factual. It seems really fucked up to make shit up about an animal in order to rant about it.
Agreed completely.