100% nothing will happen, or they will just get pardoned. USA is done. Kaput. All hail Nazi USA.
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Entire Chain of Command Could Be Held Liable for Killing Boat Strike Survivors, Sources Say
(theintercept.com)
Fairly sure the pardons are already filled out and signed preemptively.
They don’t even waste time by having them individually singed. Just copy and paste!
Ooh ooh how bout an autopen!
with fascists, every accusation is an admission
with fascists, every accusation is an admission
Once again, A LITTLE LOUDER FOR THE DOLTS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
When dealing with fascists and Republicans - they are the same but Republicans have less scruples and more money -
"EVERY ACCUSATION IS AN ADMISSION."
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This is actually the example they use of an illegal order in the DOD manual.
Page 1117 18.3.2.1 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23892053-dod-law-of-war-manual-june-2015-updated-july-2023/
Incredible
Held liable by whom? The President who absolutely would say he agreed with it? The legislature that will talk a good game but fold before doing anything important? The courts who are owned by the parties? Or the police who want this to be SOP, and wouldn't enforce any orders for arrest?
I guess some of these people expect to still be around in a couple years when there is a new administration that might feel like it's a good idea to prosecute people for crimes they committed for trump.
in a couple years when there is a new administration
IF they don't decide that any resemblance of election integrity is a nuisance they can get rid of with impunity. It's looking less and less likely.
UCMJ is its own system enforced by the military with its own courts. Hegeseth will probably avoid any repercussions, but holding the chain of command responsible for state sponsored murder will send a clear message about obeying illegal orders.
And not doing so sends a different, no less clear, message...
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They could be, but they won't.
Won't matter if they're held liable by US law.
We need justice that is not beholden to any king or emperor (or would-be whatever). International courts should rule on this. Because local ones won't do anything.
Aliens?
Interplanetary courts.
good. prison for all of them. genocidal nazis all of them. from the leader to the guy who pushed the button.
ILLEGAL ORDERS MUST BE IGNORED.
The laws will be changed to make them legal. Either that, or de facto standards will "move faster" than laws.
Must not could
He is a murderer... all of them are.
Could.
But won't.
"Respect the chain of command." - Babylon 5 TV show
Same thing Democrats said recently. Same thing Milley said last time Trump put soldiers on streets years ago. Back then Trump also said Milley should be hanged for saying it.
I love B5 and while the show might look a bit dated now the message sure as fuck is not.
… As they should.
… But they won’t.
Could is not news. Ever.
That's what should happen, but I won't be holding my breath.
Sure, sure, right after we convict Bush, Rice et al., for their war crimes in Iraq.
This is what happens when you think you're the king.
Hahaha! Oh, you were serious? That won't happen.
Ok, do it.
Maybe give them what they gave the boats.
I worked at Fort Lewis in the RCF (Regional Correctional Facility, aka prison) and we had an Army soldier who got 3 years for 1st degree murder because he mercy killed a combatant after they got covered in white phosphorous. Literally everyone was like "how the fuck do you only get 3 years for first degree murder?" and then when they read his court documents were like "what the fuck, you got screwed and obviously everyone knew it..." They legally determined that at the moment they were no longer fighting back they became non-combatants and to kill a non-combatant instead of rendering aid is murder. Since the judge and jury agreed that it did violate the law, but hoped that if they were ever in that combatant's shoes, they would want someone to do to them what this soldier did, so yeah, guilty, but sentenced to the bare minimum allowed.
I know for 100% fact there is precedent already. But that is rules for thee, not for them, so I highly doubt we'll see anything happen. I'm sure they'll claim they need immunity because they were operating under special rules of engagement or some bullshit, and it will take years and lots of lawyers and in the end it'll drag on until its forgotten about and gets quietly dismissed somewhere.
Yes, that’s pretty much how war crimes work.
They are doing the Democrats job. Democrats want the military to refuse illegal orders and the GOP(Goofy Old Phuckers) are helping by punishing the military for obeying them.
Including the commander in chief
I guess I don't understand why the second strike is worse than the first one?
Because the vast majority of Western nations (including the US) consider it to be a war crime to deliberately make a military strike against survivors of an attack that pose no active threat.
Even that assumes that the original strike has military merit in the first place, which isn't really the case when they are blowing up unarmed boats that might or might not be carrying drugs.
The UCMJ uses “firing on shipwrecked persons” as a specific example of an illegal order.
Firing on an operating crewed ship is, in a very, very broad sense, potentially justifiable. Firing on a disabled ship whose crew is not firing back is not.
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I'm hearing conflicting reports of the timeline.
One version has Hegseth ordering the strike, and after the first hit, there were two guys alive in the water, and Hegseth said "Kill them all," and the second strike was fired.
Another version has Hegseth saying "Kill them all" up front, and the pilot, noticing the two survivors in the water, decided to fire the second shot on his own, in accordance with Hegseth's original order, but Hegseth did not give the specific order to fire a second shot.
In the first version, Hegseth is definitely on the hook for the order to fire the second shot, which was murder, plain and simple. In the second version, the pilot unilaterally made the decision to murder the survivors, giving Hegseth weak deniability. He did order them to "Kill them all," but he could say it was an excited but rhetorical statement at the outset of the operation, but that he didn't mean for the pilot to commit actual murder. He'll act all outraged, and throw the pilot under the bus.
If nothing else (and they are plenty else), MAGA is cowardly.
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