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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 105 points 2 days ago

I was going to research this myself, but then I got high.

[–] mech@feddit.org 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The seeds are carried by birds and can survive in a dormant state for years.
Lots of stuff like trees washed away by rivers end up floating in the ocean.
But it's also perfectly feasible that a limited trade happened far in the past.
Polynesians showed that you can reliably cross even the pacific on boats made using stone tools and fire.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Humans before the Ice Age were fishing for tuna in the deep sea and were coastal hopping everywhere there are coasts to hop.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Limited trade... There were full on global trade networks through most of human history. Ironically, not as much across the Atlantic, because civilization in the Americas was centered on the West coast

But you find all sorts of stuff turning up everywhere. Not much of it, and most of it is lost to history, but enough to establish that global trade networks were the norm and not the exception

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[–] becausechemistry@lemy.lol 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Graduate students famously never make mistakes (like including their own hair in samples) and also never smoke weed. So that couldn’t be it.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They especially don't smoke weed. No sir!

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And especially not mushrooms, no way.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's also never even an ounce of lsd

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house-martin or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter; yet these are not strangers to our land.

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT COCONUTS MIGRATE?

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Depends on if it's being carried by an African or European swallow.

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] deHaga@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

Failed mechanics

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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

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I walk past this plant all the time and I'm super tempted. I did salvia so I feel like the effects shouldn't freak me out. Rn I just kill them with gloves. We get also get Ricinus, that's not as tempting.

To give an honest answer, it's so fucking invasive I wouldn't be surprised if actually managed to survive a trip across the Atlantic or the pacific.

The question is how? I don't think we'll know until we find the "vessel" that carried it.

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't, every trip report is horrifying, there are better ways to get high, that are also safer.

On top of being a bad experience datura doses are very hard to get right, you are very likely to overdose and die. And like I said, If you don't die, you will get a traumatic experience that can possibly fuck your mental health for decades.

Alternative drugs exist if you want to get high. Please check trip reports and harm reduction sources before trying anything.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Like salvia but worse. And every salvia story is awful.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

isn't that like the nightmare drug, that you can rather easily die from?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yeh, I just want to make a weak tea and slowly try it out. The seed pods sound horrible, but I'm probably going to make tea from the flowers.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've eaten the seeds, they're nasty unless dried out. Read the dangers beforehand. It'll mess with your vision the next day, supposedly there is a chance of going blind. The hallucinations I experienced were pretty convincing, you might want to have a friend keep an eye on you. My buddy overdid things and got picked up by the cops, they put him in the psych ward

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nah, that's what I expect. I have the chillest sober sitter in the world. I'm already going blind, so vision stuff doesn't freak me out. (I have recurring uveitis) I hope that doesn't happen, though.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it makes more sense to take it then once you're already blind? Then there's less risk of blindness technically

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[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Don't. Just fucking don't.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I also did salvia but I wouldn't touch datura with a 10 ft pole.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh god, I wouldn't touch salvia divinorum either unless you want an intense, mind-melting trip that lasts 5 minutes and a sweaty itch all over your body that lasts for 8. That's not a recreational trip, that's for people who want to feel uncomfortable as a new life experience.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yup. I don't regret doing it, and the short duration was one of the things that pushed me over the edge. I wasn't looking to exit reality for hours at a time. It was an... interesting and instructive experience, but I didn't feel the need to repeat it again. DEFINITELY have a sober sitter with you, I was apparently trying to throw myself off the stairs.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tried stramonium a couple times by smoking some seeds, I would describe it as unpleasant enough to not bother again, in the just not worth it category.

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How was it unpleasant? You don't have to answer. Im curious.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Bear in mind that it was a small dose.

It's hard to describe, my best shot would be a bit like vertigo but without any of the motion sickness. I had a sensation that what I was seeing wasn't entirely right while everything was perfectly normal.

i've not done datura myself but by all accounts it's much more like benadryl than salvia, to the point that benedryl is described as being "like datura junior". you should check out some of these trip reports and think long and hard about if that experience is worth the risks to you.

[–] Horsecook@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

There’s a bunch of Datura species, that looks like Datura wrightii.

[–] tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Hi, drug nerd here. Especially psychedelic plants and fungi.

Don't.

And not just because I tried it in my twenties and had a really horrible time. But also because I've learned a lot in the last two decades about the plant, and that potency can vary significantly.

A dose someone took in a trip report where they had mild effects could cause temporary or permanent blindness for you. Because the plant that you are consuming may be a lot more potent than theirs was.

But yes, the trip is horrible. If you want to know what it's like it's a form of delirium. So if you've ever been up for long periods of time and your mind has started playing tricks on you, it's like that. On top of this you also experience urinary retention, which means I spent the night getting up to use the bathroom while delirious and being unable to pee.

And remember I mentioned temporary blindness, I had what you could call the opposite of tunnel vision. I wasn't able to focus and could really only see using my peripheral vision. This effect lasted well into the next day.

And while I was actually high, I was mostly experiencing audio hallucinations and I just wanted it to be over so I tried to sleep through it. About the only interesting anecdote I have is that I got up in the middle of the night to turn off a CD that was on repeat, only to find that I had unplugged the stereo hours before.

No insight aside from don't drink datura.

For a similar and safer visionary effect, try staying up for 2 days. It's basically the same feeling but without all of the side effects. There's also the old formulation of Dramamine, I don't remember what it's called but very similar deliriant but in a measured dose.

And none of those I would really consider fun or especially insightful. Considering most of us are familiar with sleep deprivation anyway.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t there be other possible plants that would provide the same alkaloid compounds?

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That was what I thought until I reached this part with a link to another paper.

Charred capsules of Datura stramonium were recovered in a Middle Bronze Age ritual pit at Prats, Andorra, ca. 1600 BCE

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

Ohhh daaaaam!!

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But if it was growing in Europe at that time, wouldn't it be all over the place and be in books in the Middle Ages? Unless the Bronze Agers somehow smoked all of it.

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[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some things get around because they're so pretty, don't worry about it

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[–] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

don’t worry about it

reaches for flamethrower and glyphosate

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But birds aren't real, haven't you heard?

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 14 points 1 day ago

A well a everybody's heard about the bird B-b-b bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 2 days ago

Have to be migratory, of course.

[–] negativenull@piefed.world 7 points 1 day ago

It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios!

[–] DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn Central American Swallows!

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 14 points 2 days ago

Uh, that's... Shit! I was going to sleep soon too!

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

So, you're telling me that this plant...
puts sunglasses
Went on a high trip.

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