Shit should be straight up illegal to own and operate.
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A former colleague once complained to me that they could never find a parking spot for their humongous SUV in Berlin and that the city should be more accommodating in that regard. They weren't even a permanent resident or a commuter but a foreign diplomat.
To my discredit I wasn't assertive enough back then to calmly explain public transportation to them, I was just dumbfounded.
My mental response to that kind of people is,
"You chose to be the problem. Have you tried not being one?"
My mental response to that kind of people is,
βYou chose to be the problem. Have you tried not being one?β
I do admit that it sounds catchy in my head, too. But I don't think it would be a good or practical approach to convince others, starting off a retort with an ad-hominem right away π
Maybe then this:
"If the others are the problem, then why do you choose to have a big vehicle that has trouble parking? Couldn't you get a smaller vehicle that's easier to step into, can transport just as easily, and is cheaper in terms of fuel usage?"
Maybe then this:
βIf the others are the problem, then why do you choose to have a big vehicle that has trouble parking? Couldnβt you get a smaller vehicle thatβs easier to step into, can transport just as easily, and is cheaper in terms of fuel usage?β
Much better, and it automatically picks a fight with the advertising industry (that has a very clear answer to that question), so double-plus good.
They should increase the taxes for these: It's a truck, so the driver needs a driver's license for a truck (class C1E, CE or whatever) and pay road toll like a truck (Toll Collect) also use parking spots for trucks. If done so, the demand for trucks like these then would significantly decrease.
Taxes? Just ban them. If you can't park that shit, it's not allowed to drive. Same rules in cities in Japan: if you don't have a parking spot, you can't buy the car in the first place.
Taxes don't work. Canada had a carbon tax and it did nothing to slow pickup sales.
It just means the tax or price difference to more sensible cars was not high enough.
Europe is embracing EVs, because gas is $7.50 a gallon. But Europeans can also do math.
They are not heavy enough for that. The B class license lets you drive cars that weigh up to 3500 kg. Normal American pickup trucks weigh 3000 kg at most. I think the EU is even planning to increase the weight allowance, so pensioners can drive around in RVs without getting a C1 license.
You could charge higher tolls for cars above 2000 or even 1500 kg, you could make parking spots that wonβt fit almost six meter long pickup trucks, and you could implement higher registration costs for heavy vehicles. Thereβs a lot of things you can do. But the biggest issue is in my opinion cultural. Most people are size queens. They want everything to be as big as possible. Even their cars.
you could make parking spots that wonβt fit almost six meter long pickup trucks
still, they will try and park their car in there:
Yes. But then their car will be towed, and they will have to go through the hassle of recovering it and pay a big fine. The point is to make owning a full size pickup truck extremely impractical to discourage people from making them popular here.
you could make parking spots that wonβt fit almost six meter long pickup trucks
I don't think the kind of people who drive these would care how much they stick out in front (taking up space of the opposite space, or walking area) or back.
Live in the Midwest US, and can confirm. They'll also throw on a tow bar for the hell of it, even if they don't know how to drive with one, just for funsies.
They're boxy which is an unnecessary and intentional style choice. They could be much more compact for the same hauling performance.
It's an intentional choice, but it's not for style. The EPA passed regulations in the 90s that demanded a certain level of efficiency from all manufacturers. Sounds great in theory, but the execution was very flawed. The problem is, the regulations allow for less efficiency, based on the size and weight of the vehicle. Well, it's much easier to engineer a big, heavy vehicle than it is to engineer a more efficient vehicle, so which option do you think most American car companies chose? That amount of bulk allows them to have a lower rated MPG while still remaining "compliant."
This was by design and by detroit lobbyists. Pickups are made around 1950s technology and no consideration for safety, with massive profit margins.
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Government can make any new truck class they want to.
no business license? extra taxes! also, limits on how many you can own, because why not? get ahead of that dual-massive-car family nonsense
I'm not a fan of stuff that disproportionately limits the average person and allows the rich to do something, but in this case, it's better than nothing
I absolutely agree! Look how The Netherlands and Danmark are doing it: They push the cars out of the cities with urban development measures, which I absolutely adore! Car drivers should be thrown out of our cities and use public transport instead!
no business license? extra taxes!
They already pay $200 a tank for gas. These people will eat newspaper salad before giving up their symbols of toxic masculinity.
We've already seen the SUV-isation of small cars, thanks to idiotic American fuel efficiency laws. Can we walk that back too, please?
They defy physics and engineering principles. They put all the weight up front, then the drive wheels on the back. Despite the chunky broh tires, they are comically bad on snow.
America too please
There's a fucker that keeps driving a yank tank RAM at my local bunnings. I can barely see over the hood and at 170cm i am not a small woman
Cunt probably uses 1.3 bays to park too. Aus was NOT built with american sizes vehicles in mind for roads and parking lots.
Half the fckn roads pothole on heavy rains, we don't need someone's dick extension tearing them up further
I find the phrase 'emotional support vehicle' tends to hit a nerve with those types
Bunnings: hardware and garden centre chain in Australia and New Zealand.
i am not a small woman
how you doin
We've already seen the SUV-isation of small cars, thanks to idiotic American fuel efficiency laws. Can we walk that back too, please?
Don't repeat yourself, and by the way, don't repeat yourself.
Meh, some Lemmy clients have weird behavior. Sometimes you want to submit a post and it seemingly doesn't work, so you press the button again and again. In reality, the post is simply submitted several times without the OP ever knowing. It's kind of annoying.
That's how doubleposting has worked in all apps and forums that I know of since the birth of unreliable Internet and incomplete transaction verification.
Didn't intend to send that twice. I blame the network.
anything that's worth saying, is worth saying twice
The "Simpsons" nailed it...
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, smells like a steak and seats thirty-five.. Canyonero! Canyonero! Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down, It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown! Canyonero! (Yah!) Canyonero! [Krusty:] Hey Hey The Federal Highway commission has ruled the Canyonero unsafe for highway or city driving. Canyonero! 12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyonero! Canyonero! Top of the line in utility sports, Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts! Canyonero! Canyonero! (Yah!) She blinds everybody with her super high beams, She's a squirrel crushing, deer smacking, driving machine! Canyonero!-oh woah, Canyonero! (Yah!) Drive Canyonero! Woah Canyonero! Woah! Source: LyricFind Songwriters: Alf Clausen / Donick Cary Canyonero lyrics Β© Fox Music, Inc
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Hell, get them out of America, too. They're massive and block vision at intersections even if the streets are supposedly wide enough. And the drivers are always clueless and entitled at best and openly hostile at worst on top of their own reduced vision. "But I can see everyone because I'm up so high" the fuck you can.
Even if:
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someone has managed to bring a vehicle into a European country despite being illegal
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or if he has even managed to get papers from a EU country, so that he can bring it to all EU countries
...then the police can still pull illegal vehicles off the road.
The driver can walk home.
They arenβt illegal when they get type approval. Ford even sells the F-150 Lightning officially where I live.
They arenβt illegal when they get type approval
That's too much of a generalisation.
For example, around here the young drivers love to attach some extra aftermarket parts on their cars. And these things have papers, too. Still the police decides sometimes to pull one out.
The police can decide on their own what they think is dangerous. Of course in a case of a type approval they would usually not doubt at all that things are OK.
Heavy vehicles are dangerous. F=ma, they are harder to slow down, hit with more energy in a crash. There should be weight limits to vehicles any asshole can just buy.
The weight limit in most of Europe is 44 tonnes. The weight limit for B class license holders is 3500 kg. A Ford F-150 weighs between 1800 kg for the smallest regular cab to 3127 kg for the heaviest electric one. This is no heavier than the larger European SUVs. (For example, the Mercedes G class weighs between 2485 and 3085 kg.) A regular cab F-150 is actually lighter than most European executive cars. And even if you spec it as a super crew with a V8, it'll still be lighter than the heavier BMW 5 series cats.
I want to be clear that I think this is very unfortunate. And for ideological reasons, I wouldn't buy an American car. But this is not a problem that is limited to American manufacturers.
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I just got back from visiting my parents in Texas. I'm like 189 cm or so, and some of the hoods on those trucks came up to my chin. Madness.
Mechanics now need stepladders to work on those trucks. There is no reason for that design other than intimidation.
intimidation
compensation.
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