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Well they made college and grad school cost upwards of 200k+ so no shit

I recall a podcast I listened to years ago talking about some schools trying out a new model that worked something like...

Instead of taking out a loan, you just enter into a contract with the school that x% of your paycheck for the first z years after graduation go to the school. Kinda like child support.

Get an unemployable degree and now your making burgers for minimum wage? Then you don't owe anything.

Get an amazing job that pays a ton? That degree is going to cost you.

Now it's in the school's best interest to A) offer degrees that are actually worth something instead of misleading students down a dead end path, and B) help students find and keep good positions after graduation.

It sounded awesome. But what I found infuriating were the people they interviewed that benefitted from the program, now had fantastic high salary jobs, and were whining about how much they were having to pay for the education and program that got them into that high paying job in the first place.

It's an NBC news poll so I'm not sure it's easy to find much more info on the poll or its history.

Here's a chart showing previous responses:

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Duh, civilized countries make education free because it;s a net win for the country. If your politics makes that a bad, dunno, sorry for your loss...

To be clear, this is an issue with the cost, not with the degrees

25% of unemployed Americans have a 4 year degree

My job has me on college campuses several times a month, and I often speak individually with over a thousand college students a month.

There is real fear among these students. Many have done everything right, planned a career, took the classes in order since middle school to get there, took out thousands in student loans, all knowing that it will be worth it to get a good job that will pay well for an entire career...

Only to find out halfway through college that corporations are replacing all their software developers with AI, and the career path they've been following since they were a kid, no longer exists.

But they still owe their student loans, even if their Plan B career, which they hadn't considered until they couldn't find a post-graduation job in their field, pays barely more than minimum wage.

Much to the joy of GOP politicians everywhere.

The role models are all dumb corrupt sacks of shit that are on the long road of decline until sometime find out again that meritocracy is better at providing quality.

Shame those lessons need learning time and again.

Very noticeable here in the US how much college has become unaffordable and out of reach

Shows in everyday life here from the conversations to just any day to day interaction

In the media all comes out like it is made for young school kids with the words getting smaller and simpler with less sentence structures

Even if voting was not rigged here can tell with way people see our elected officials as football team members to rally behind

Higher education becoming unattainable will lead a country to poorer health, more underpaid factory workers, less quality of life for everyone, less progress, more repeated failures from history, etcetera

I've been telling people this for years: Post-secondary educational institutions are no longer about education; they're a business. They do everything they can to maximize profits, and don't really care about the quality of education.

I never did but I’m now middle aged and stuck in my career without one. I’m right now planning on finding a competency based program to try to speedrun, so I can stop working on implementing others peoples broken garbage.

At 18, I went to community college. During my 2 years there, I absolutely fucked my credit by getting credit cards and not paying it back.

So thinking my credit was bad, I decided I couldn't afford University. So I just decided to lie that I had a degree and just kept doing interviews and when it came down to the background checks, I didn't lie.

About 20% of the companies I got an offer for talked to the hiring manager who cared about my fake degree. The rest just turned a blind eye or didn't care.

At 46, I don't lie anymore. After 20 years in the industry, They just care about places I worked and responsibilities I had.

As someone absolutely killing themself to barely tread water with a fairly well paying job after getting a graduate degree, the kids are unfortunately correct.

The problem is the cost of college is opaque. They show an upfront cost, but something like 2/3rds of students don’t actually pay that price. Schools have learned they can get more out of people by setting a high price and then giving “aid” discounts than charging a flat price that is affordable to everyone. Also, schools measure themselves by “prestige” and that is determined by admission rate. Schools are luxury brands and they do what luxury brands do… manufacture scarcity. The result is they’re looting the livelihoods of young adults by putting them into indentured servitude. Higher education needs to be reformed. It isn’t the fault of professors. It’s the administrators.

We need to stop saying "American Dream." It's really beating a dead horse at this point. It feels like such a fictional concept to me.

Of course it's being seen that way.

If I were to go to my university this year, doing the same course I'd have:

£9250 x 4 = £37000 for the 4 year course £9504 x 4 = £38016 for rental accommodation including bills (I picked a rental property that included bills for ease of calculation) £5000 x 4 = £20000 for food (based on £100/week)

That's £95016

And how much of my degree do I use day to day? Jack shit. Anyone starting my job technically does not need a degree. I work with a niche piece of software that is well known in it's field but outside of that is not. No degree would ever cover this

My field requires a graduate degree and a board and fieldwork. I just paid it off at 38.

Good maybe we will finally have some market correction and colleges realize they are not a staple for the American dream anymore.

IMO, being educated should be at least a minimum wage job, paid by the government. This would allow students to focus on learning their crafts, instead of being distracted by part-time jobs.