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Did it in the court room, see footage from a movie here.

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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 93 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That bastard also killed the girl after raping her.

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Title should really include this too. Utterly fucked up.

You're correct it should I edited it

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oddly enough, no one in the courtroom saw anything 🤷

"I can't remember a thing, but i do remember at one point we all gave a standing ovation. Can't remember why though".

[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Yep would done the same or worse to that fucker.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A quick death is a mercy he did not deserve.

But it’s also a level of finality that the state would not have granted.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Holy shit that's a hell of a video

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There is no video of the actual incident, this is from a movie

[–] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you have a source cos if so I'll edit the post so it's not misinformation

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

What’s the source that it’s courtroom footage?

There’s no video linked on Wikipedia but multiple films listed.

It’s from no time for tears

Thanks I've edited the post

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Ah boo! But thanks for saying something

[–] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

She doesn't flinch, she's calm, and she doesn't stop firing till she knows the job is done.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

I'm glad she didn't do much time

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

She gunned him down the day I was born.

It's it weird that him admitting to it makes it that much better? Like she didn't kill someone who may have been innocent, she ended the right person and from the video was very calm about the after math.

Edit: apparently the video is from a movie

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago
[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess Germany doesn’t have jury nullification.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

They don't have juries.

[–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fuck that's utterly grim. In her shoes, I might well do the same.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Gary Plauche is another person who took justice into his own hands over the kidnapping and rape of his son back in the 1980s.

Plauche learned that the suspect was being flown back to town in police custody, and figured out the flight he was on. He waited at the airport, pretending to be using a pay phone. As the suspect was escorted past him he walked up and shot him in the head at almost point blank range. A local TV station caught it all on camera and I think you can still find it if you search for it.

Plauche was ultimately convicted of manslaughter but was given a suspended sentence, probation, and community service. No jail time.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He did what needed to be done.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Jesus fucking christ no he didn't - a big reason we don't do vigilante executions is the same reason we shouldn't be doing the government sponsored kind:

COPS ARE BAD AT THEIR JOB

At the time there was every chance that Doucet was innocent because the cops had arrested the wrong person - the evidence was not available, and Gary Plauche unilaterally carried out a death sentence on a man on a rumor. In this case it probably worked out, although the investigation into Doucet was stopped after his death and the case was considered closed so we still don't know for sure: testimony of a traumatized 10 year old and Doucet's presence in the hotel room are the primary evidence, but there was no further investigation to find out if he was even the only person involved. At the time, Plauche didn't even know for sure that Doucet was in the hotel room, he had just been given rumors.

From your post history, you're a decent person, you're not some bootlicker, so why are you affording the police enough credibility that you believe their initial investigations are so well conducted that they can unilaterally be used as grounds for summary execution?

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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And I was just thinking about what an awful place this world is. I have not been contradicted.

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[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

Fuck that guy

[–] philpo@feddit.org 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be honest: She was far from a saint herself and it's very likely that she didn't do it for the girl but more to make sure she wasn't painted in even more of a bad light

It's a sad story all along.

[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why was she far from being a saint?

[–] philpo@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

She operated a (pretty shady) bar and basically prioritised that and her own enjoyment over her child a lot of times,letting her child sleep in the (guest area of the) bar,even when she was not working and someone else (she barely knew) worked there because she was out partying. Additionally this lifestyle led to her sleeping in for a long time letting her daughter often be unsupervised/uncared for at a very young age (like...toddler age) - as it happened on that day. (She kid skipped school - very likely with her mother knowing and allowing her after a fight they had. And left "to visit a friend the same age" - who would be in school at that time. There are some sources citing neighbours that it's possible she threw her out because the girl was getting on her nerves as she possibly did before).

She actually, under mounting pressure from the German version of CPS and her relatives and friends openly (including in front of the child) discussed giving her up for adoption (like she had done 2 times before with other children)/ claimed she didn't want to be responsible for the child.

She later refused to take part in the court proceedings, mainly these also did shine some light on her role of her as a mother and actually was almost imprisoned for being in contempt of the court. There are some theories that this, together with the fact that the perpetrator claiming that he was blackmailed by the child which back then would have fallen back on her as well (even if obviously untrue) was the real reason she decided to kill the guy at the time she did. (She later on confessed that it was murder and not manslaughter)

Surely a lot of things must be seen in the (very tight and depressing) morals of the time - she was a young woman with a bad family history herself and then her life became even worse. But...that was not the fault of the child as well. And by either standards, todays as well as the ones back then she surely was a bad mother,sorry.

Was she responsible for the murder of her daughter? No. Does that make her less of a bad person and less of a murderer herself? No.

(We had to cover this case in uni extensively - one of my professors actually was working as a DA in the same building back when it happend -- or something like that, can't remeber-)

[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Interesting. Thank you for taking the time.

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Most valid crashout

As she should. Reminds me of Gary Plauche, and he also did the correct thing.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago
[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I did a research report on this subject and the underlying risk factors that make vigilante justice it more likely in a society https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5az_rOTb0E

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