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I posted this in the other thread, but wanna share here too:
Most interesting thing to me is the Frame apparently runs a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3, and is using SteamOS, implying official ARM support for SteamOS, Steam and Proton! Could mean steam and proton coming to android too.
And the base would be Arch Linux ARM, right? So that should see an uptick in development too.
Arch Linux has been implementing a build system for other architectures. Perhaps they'll make ARM official by the time Frame comes out.
I’m still a little curious how that will work for games. Are they going to somehow emulate Win32 amd64 games? Do devs have to recompile them in some new way? Will engines support it beyond Unity and Unreal?
It was mentioned in the LTT coverage. Aside from native ARM games they have a translation layer(FEX) to play x86 games on ARM. They'll have a "Verified" tag like the Steam Deck for compatibility. I assume you'll still be able to force trying to run unverified games.
Edit: FEX is not a Valve thing, but an existing open source x86/x86_64 emulator that Valve is using. It's not clear if they're forking it or directly contributing though.
Yup, FEX to translate x86 to ARM.
Dang. The new Steam Controller has a D-pad, buttons, thumbsticks, gyros, and trackpads.
And the thumbsticks are TMR (like Hall effect, but nicer).
As long as it's comfortable to reach all that stuff, that's gonna be a new bar for PC game controllers.
EDIT: and grip sensors.
EDIT2: and four haptic feedback motors, two in the trackpads.
I personally think the Deck is very comfortable given its bulk. I have a lot of faith in the controller ergonomics.
Now if it just had a replaceable battery...
It does! Verge reports that battery pops out like old cellphone batteries
Nice!
Edit: do you have to disassemble the controller (with a screwdriver or something) or is it accessible with just my hands? I swap (rechargeable) AAs on my XBox360 controller quite a bit, and part of why I like it is that I can do it quickly if the battery dies while playing.
Looks like you'll have to remove the entire bottom shell. From GN's video:
The shell doesn't seem to have a separately removable battery cover, although I don't see a reason why someone wouldn't be able to just cut a hole or 3D-print an accessible shell. Dbrand comes to mind. Or that's just a show piece and the retail product might have a battery cover.
It also looks like the screw posts don't have threaded metal inserts, which is concerning.
It probably will. Watch Gamers Nexus' video, it has a short clip that shows the battery, and it looks like it's held in a receptacle like removable phone batteries. Valve have already said that you'd be able to disassemble the controller with a screwdriver, but no word yet on replacement parts. But based on the Steam Deck, I would be shocked if they didn't offer at least replacement batteries.
Only one company has apparently learned how to print money and not be ghouls.
To be fair, they say they made a lot of tradeoffs in the name of being price conscience, but they haven't put a price on it yet.
I'd say it's priceless.
Been waiting for a competitor to the meta quest. Looks like my patience has paid off. I hope it’s not too pricey/compromised
"The Frame headset won't be priced higher than the Index":
A brief moment of KDE desktop shown.
2026 will be the year of Linux Desktop!
The controller is exactly what I wanted. Take a Steam Deck, cut out the middle, glue the grips back together. Take my money.
Steam Dk
And even then there's some nice QOL features like capacitive strips on the grips.
Finally! I've been holding out for years waiting on steam to release a new VR set, time to finally get one!
Lets fucking go! This lineup looks sick.
I want them all, but mostly the Frame. Finally decent Linux VR? On a standalone device that can also stream from a PC? On ARM?! It seems too good to be true.
This is so fucking good for linux gaming
Glad to have sold my Index this past summer. Prices are gonna plummet once V.2 comes out
Hell yeah! I have an upgrade path for my original Steam Controllers!
One under the radar feature of the Frame's controllers is being able to use them without the headset as essentially a normal controller split in two.
I just like that they have the complete compliment of normal controller buttons. It seems the world has agreed on twin sticks, a d-pad, ABXY (or triangle square cirlce et cetera, you know what I mean), and two shoulder buttons... Except for VR controllers. Every brand has their own dinky layout and they're all sparse on buttons, I guess not to "intimidate" newbies, but it requires making weird compromises or binding actions to directions on one of the analog sticks or something, and that always feels lacking.
I hope they also stole the idea from the OG Oculus controllers where it can sense when your fingers are on the buttons but not pressing them, to so they can show your fingers in VR space and help people work the things by sight as well as feel.
Edit: I watched the LTT video. Yes, the buttons have capacitive finger tracking as well. Rejoyce.
Sometimes I think about how LOATHED Steam was when in launched. That was probably valid even. Still, it feels worth noting that Valve is maybe THE only company from my childhood that feels like it largely stayed true to its spirit, or whatever.
I was one of the haters when it first launched because I was on dialup at the time and physical discs I bought were forcing me to install steam AND THEN install a massive patch that did not work on dialup. My first day playthrough of Skyrim was ruined because of that. Took a week for that shit to download even though I went physically to a store.
But now Steam is the last man standing between us and corporate greed.
The frame being a standalone linux headset is huge, hopefully this does to vr what the deck did to pancake.
(I know vr works on linux already but it's a pain)
These were the prices of the first generation: (Wikipedia Steam Machine US$400–$600; Steam Controller $49.99
NGL the cube thingy looks so damn attractive to me, especially as I don't own any form of PC gaming...
Now please Steam, officially sell to Mexico god damn it!
These sound absolutely amazing but it all depends on the price.
if the Steam controller is on par with a new 8bitdo then I would definitely pick it up.
The steam machine sounds intriguing but there is already a big market for mini PCs and I don't know if consumers would go out of their way to buy a steam PC box. I'm most skeptical about this one
Steam Frame looks fantastic but I really hope it's cheap enough to compete with the Meta Quest 3 and isn't just another ~$1000 headset for enthusiasts
I don’t know if consumers would go out of their way to buy a steam PC box
There could never be a better test for the hypothesis than this critical moment where people are fucking pissed at Microsoft.
Steam Machine feels more like a console that happens to also be a PC. If reasonably priced, the question is why anyone would want to buy Xbox or PlayStation when Steam Machine has a bigger library than both combined - on launch.
Because normies can't get Fortnite running easily on linux (afaik anyway), or other popular competitive titles like battlefield 6 or call of duty 2025 to run at all.
Most of the normies probably already have a console with some licenses that will carry over. PC gamers have a desktop system (often in addition to a console.) It's just not the same.
Consoles just work. You don't need to understand much. The deck has definitely not been a painless process but obviously it's pretty good, especially if you stick to green checkmark titles. Having to research what games will work, how well they work, and how to make them work if not by default is too much for a lot of people.
I'm glad it's coming though. More people running linux means better support overall from hardware vendors and software developers. Gaming on linux is in a great place today but it feels more like how gaming was 20 years ago where you sometimes have to look something up to get something working, and installing an OS is simply too much for a lot of people.
The steam machine sounds intriguing but there is already a big market for mini PCs and I don't know if consumers would go out of their way to buy a steam PC box. I'm most skeptical about this one
You might not be the target audience. I'm comfortable building an HTPC and putting an OS and all on it and configuring it, but the benefit of a console is that someone just gets an all-in-one setup that works out-of-box. Well, and that game developers are specifically testing against.
Like, if it weren't a barrier, you'd probably just have everyone using PCs instead of consoles in their living room. Might open the gates to let console-only folks do Steam.
I'm disappointed in the screens they used but it unfortunately makes sense that 4k microOLED isn't feasible. I wish the new controllers supported Lighthouse tracking too. If the new controllers really are proprietary to just this single HMD that's a big failure in my opinion.
The only other major PC oriented inside-out system, Windows Mixed Reality, allowed controllers and headsets from all brands participating in the program to freely intermix. I'd doubt Valve would be dumb enough not to also follow this path, if there are ever successive iterations of this hardware.
gabe can have my firstborn
