Ask Lemmy

Trying to please everyone.

It's a case to case thing but, at times, trying to convince people to act right and be moral simply because it's our duty (and don't get me started on trying to do the same but approaching it from a monotheistic angle, lol). Some people just simply don't care and will always prioritise their whims over everyone else's wellbeing, and knowing when to stop trying is necessary not to get too frustrated. 🤷😔

I've had a couple cases where I didn't change their mind on the spot, we at least reached a point of "I see what you're saying and why you believe that" that was better than we started.

It's just a lot of work, and is doomed if the other person isn't present in good faith. But it's nice when it happens. It helps to ask sincere questions, and try to clear up any assumptions you might not share.

You will never change anyones mind, conservative or not, by arguing with them.

Trying to clarify someone who misunderstood words, especially ones that are clear and concise. Either they have poor reading comprehension are responding to 'what I really meant' and in either case they will continue to do it over and over. I still try because of holding out hope that someone will realize they misread something as simple as 'I like dogs' to mean 'I hate cats' but I don't think it has ever been successful.

Its hard to say. My capacity to deal with bullshit is pretty low at this point. I only do things as I have to or if the turn is worth the effort. I mean I do value many basic things so it does not take much of a return to get me motivated.

Your mistake is letting it be framed as an argument at all. When trying to change the minds of the hard-headed, it's much more in your favor to begin not with "this is what I think", but "what do you think about...?" because the moment they feel like their values or ideas are being threatened is the moment they dig their heels in and start defending the same.

It's a skill that takes a lot of time and effort to get right, but guiding them through challenging their own ideas on their own terms is just a lot easier to sell than telling them they're wrong and explaining why. It doesn't matter how well you know the subject you're explaining or how effectively you present your information; if the person on the other end has identified you and your ideas as threats, then you have already almost certainly failed at challenging their beliefs.

Every job has a tool or tools that best get it done. I'm sure it depends on the where and when, but we don't generally tend to bring weapons along while we're building bridges because they're simply not the tools needed for the job. Picking fights where you could otherwise have conversations is a rough and disappointing path if your intended destination is changing minds.

Keeping the Cheerios apart in the milk

I was going to say what you did. I'm more conservative than a lot of people in the Fediverse, but the way things are going, I'm sliding toward liberalism again. There's a lot of stuff where I think the conversation needs to be boiled down to extremes: Will you help people, or will you harm them? You don't have an option of inaction - inaction is harmful. If you have the power to help another person, you should be under a moral imperative to do so. And right now, I see a lot of conservatives who sugarcoat things, and fail to realize that the people they've picked to represent them see the cruelty as the point.

Argument and debate don't work because they're a terrible way to spread, express, and defend ideals.

The ironic thing about "Enlightenment" philosophy is that people cling to it's methods and orthodoxy despite all evidence of their own lived experience. The truth doesn't care about your logic.

Voting for centrists. It's basically choosing to lose the battle.

Getting my friends to play Minecraft for more than two weeks

Job market.

Trying to find honest/open people for friends, partners, employers. Or so it seems, 40 years in.

I've found that arguing with conservatives isn't about arguing with an individual. My father-in-law is a staunch libertarian, we go back and forth all the time. His positions change. My positions change. Yadda yadda.

But then the conversation ends, he gets back in his car, he turns on the Talk Radio, and he gets an earful of information and ideology that I never hear. And I throw on my leftie podcasts, getting a perspective he doesn't hear. When we meet up again, we've had our brains saturated in information and ideas totally alien to one another. So the brief conversation we had a week ago doesn't move our political alignment in any meaningful way.

Trying to argue in written English. Speaking is no problem but written stuff is just frustrating.

Making the people see that there is a lot of media out there, not just the same series that netflix shows to you or the 10 same bands that spotify recommends when you open the app, books, comics, videogames, movies, etc

Not trying

Ah, life. Just like, all of it.

Getting gold social work in the streets oft Germany

Time.

We all gotta go someday. Let's make it wierd

Conservatives are actually partakers in Catholicism and its forks of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.

In fact, the biggest losing battle is any mainstream religion, as that's obeying (right hand) and revering (forehead) the Bishop of Rome, the Antichrist Beast Pope (which you simply don't do under any circumstances). This is what historicists (like myself) believe to be the Mark of the Beast.