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Even establishment Democrats say Chuck Schumer must go (www.salon.com)

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Despite his "no" vote, the Senate deal to reopen the government bears Schumer’s fingerprints

Either Schumer no longer has effective control over own his caucus, or he has permitted the deal to progress with a wink and a nod behind the scenes — and with a strident disavowal for the bank of cameras he famously loves — while taking Democratic voters for fools.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 105 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Now, Roginsky is “thoroughly disgusted,” she said. “I don’t understand why they would subject people to hunger and to layoffs and to flight delays and to missed paychecks for the past 40 days, if only to get nothing out of it now.”

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Schumer, who was the target of near-universal vitriol among Democrats in March when he backed down in a budget battle that threatened to evolve into a shutdown, was quick to announce his opposition to the deal and he voted against it Monday night.

But in fact, his fingerprints are all over it.

Get rid of this useless piece of shit, Schumer needs to be in a nursing home.

[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Take the other traitor fucks there with him.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago

I hope we're talking about an underfunded nursing home or something , because these traitorous pieces of shit don't deserve basic decency. you have to give that to receive it.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

needs to be in a nursing home

Specifically, in the medicaid wing of a nursing home.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

An Andrew Cuomo-era nursing home.

[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 95 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Democrats are honestly a bunch of fucking pussies at this point.

There's a literal fascist authoritarian wannabe in charge and where's the resistance? Christ, MTG is being more critical of Trump than they are.

[–] radieschen@slrpnk.net 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Resistance should be grassroots organized, please don't rely on the Democrats (or any political party) for that.

Don't waste any time mourning. Organize!

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Why not both?

We're organizing locally, and won the last set of elections. But that doesn't mean we can't still expect resistance on the national level when there was an overwhelming victory in the last slate of elections.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

Anyone quoting Joe Hill is all right by me.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

It's not cowardice, its calculated evil.

[–] zewm@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“At this point” implies there were not pussies at some point. The Democrats have always been cowards.

People keep forgetting it’s not left v right, it’s rich v poor. Democrat leaders are just playing their part.

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 8 points 23 hours ago

People always talked about age limits for elected office, I think the same holds true for wealth. You / your family worth $$$M/B no more government service for you. It will never happen, nice to dream I guess.

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It is left vs right. To left is to be anti rich. To be right is to be pro rich.

[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago

Exactly. The American 2-party system is between right and alt-right.

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[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Get rid of his weak Nazi appeasing ass...40 days for nothing

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's so fricking infuriating because, literally we were actually seeing the cracks form. Trump admin is violating the hatch act, pushing "dem's have shut down the government", and yet poll after poll shows the american people put the blame on the republicans. Trump was constantly boo'd to his face at the commanders game... and the democrats had an amazing election where they won every contest they were in. I can't fathom a worse time to fold

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the democrats had an amazing election where they won every contest they were in. I can't fathom a worse time to fold

That's your answer right there: the moment the election was over, they went back to screwing over the voters on behalf of their owner donors.

If the election had been a week from now, they'd have caved by Thanksgiving at the latest.

[–] FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

They saw Zohran win and decided the people had had enough fun, but it's time to put us back into our place before we get an ideas about making America better for the common person

[–] LucidiaDiamond@sh.itjust.works 1 points 39 minutes ago

Yup big daddy airplane was starting to get worried about thanksgiving.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (3 children)

His whip voted yes. Either he can't even control his whip, or he orchestrated it.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s the latter. Just magically the 8 that are retiring or aren’t up for reelection just manically all got together at the same time to do this? Right…

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, it isn't magic. They also had more pressure because of snap running out. Also, some of them, like Fetterman, always voted against the shutdown.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 13 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, fuck Fetterman

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

What a collasal disappointment he has been.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago

Yep. And either way, he has to go.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

He absolutely orchestrated it, the reason he is the minority leader in senate is because he has the connections and political capital to influence or even order the votes of his party. I am only somewhat curious if they knew he was going to back out and vote no to try to wash his hands of his own capitulation. It's wild because it signals he still thinks he has a future.

Schumer represents a weird kind of old-school political capital. Whereas Trump's power comes from a literal horde of orcs carrying weapons and flags, arguably an even older kind of power to wield, Schumer carries the Elder Conclave of Ancient Liberal Liches who delight in social parties and ritual and systems. If you've ever listened to the old-guard dems talking among each other it sounds like a Victorian-era socialite gathering, like aliens from another dimension. While wildly out-of-touch, the reason he has power is because this kind of thing appeals to older institutional bankers, elder community leaders, and people with old money.

Old money is the reason he still stands as the "head" of the Democratic party and I am actually unsure if efforts to unseat him will be successful for the same reasons that Trump and his warband face no consequences because their own political capital. Nobody wants to challenge the base. If you go against Trump you get people breaking into your house and shooting you, if you go against Schumer, you lose your 7-figure retirement and your vacation house on the beach. For many people with a lot to lose, either of these outcomes is equally terrifying.

[–] hateisreality@lemmy.world 42 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The blame was on the Republicans until Schumer decided to be a Nazi

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 19 points 23 hours ago

Solely on

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Every single elected democrat should be primaried from the left in 2028, full stop.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago

The leftists candidates are no longer the spoilers. The Democrats are spoiling it for leftists. The center is just gone.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

"Every single" is the kind of lazy shit that gets us into this mess. It's going to take more thought than that.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

8 democrats are not the entire party. The party is made up of individuals.

Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia
Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois
Senator Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
Senator Angus King of Maine
Senator Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada
Senator Jacky Rosen of Nevada

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-who-voted-to-end-shutdown-b2861979.html

[–] miked@sh.itjust.works 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You know Schumer was directing them, right?

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

What a stupid thing to say. Bernie? AOC?

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

you could have at least bothered to name two Democrats if you're trying for an example.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Chuck Schumer should run as Gavin Newsom’s vice president.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That would be a good choice - schumer is the only dem who could make newsom look principled by comparison.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago

This is Fetterman erasure.

[–] SparkyBauer44@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

They can send the checks to one address that way. streamLINING.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

I'm sure he'll write a strong letter

[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 11 points 1 day ago

That was the plan all along.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Does anyone know the strategy or play for doing this? I mean, this seams super weak on the surface. I do know that the timing or the next negotiations would be advantageous, but geesh, that the best they got?

[–] zewm@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Elections are over. That was the stop gap. Now they have to reopen so people can get paid to go shopping for holiday season.

[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 3 points 8 hours ago

Ding ding fucking ding.

They did to the people suffering the shutdown what tRump did to the people who voted for him. Told them what they wanted to hear, that he was gonna help them, got their vote, then walked away. We were ready to help weather the storm for our communities over the holidays. All the dems had to do was keep the message unified and refuse to budge until they put back what they removed. Heaven forbid these rich fucks, who share the same airspace as us normies, potentially miss flights and their rich donors lose profits over the busiest travel period of the year.

Honestly, this would be the time for a general strike. We already did the legwork to help provide for those who would have gone without SNAP. Lots in my area set up little pantries at work, donated supplies to places catering to underprivileged families, and were ready to help neighbors over the holidays. None of that disappeared this week. I personally plan to refuse holiday shopping and continue giving what I can to food banks and local childcare facilities.

Unfortunately, we're too disorganized and too many are forced to live a tightrope between poverty and wage-slavery to really see this on a grand scale. Still, I'll be the change I want to see and not begrudge those without the means to do the same. Despite the govt. and their rich-cuck donors, we only really have us and our communities to rely on.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

This is a really good question and ive not heard a good answer.

Even schumer's stooges didn't really seem to know why they were doing it. 'It was the only deal' or 'it had gone on too long' are both non-answers.

[–] a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

There isn't really a good answer. They had the leverage (finally) and could have compelled something useful.

They get off on losing. I suspect some of them are beating off right now--the human suffering they have enabled must be intoxicating.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 5 hours ago

Two points:

No one was calling for Chuck to go when he approved the previous budget without a fight. This is not because he folded but because he dared to fight. He will be replaced with someone who will never try to fight Trump
The 8 Democrats that voted for this are not some traitors to the party. Republicans needed 8 votes so Dems gave them 8 votes. If they needed 20 votes they would find 20 Dems to vote with them. They chose the ones that are ready to retire or have no chances at re-election but if needed they would just go down the list and find more people. If you think Dems have a problem with 8 members you're delusional. Both parties have the same owners and the same goals. Don't get fooled by the theater.

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