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[–] Sabin10@lemmy.world 301 points 2 days ago (5 children)

So you're saying they can actually bring back people they've accidentally deported. Weird how that wasn't the case before now.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Well, now there's precedent. Gonna be harder to duck charges when we're on the other side.

[–] Soulg@ani.social 17 points 2 days ago

Haha nah they'll just not do it

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[–] chisel@piefed.social 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tbf, the article never said that they actually found the guy and brought him back.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Hopefully it's not like replacing a child's pet fish/hamster.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

I mean they literally brought back Abrego Garcia, but then made trumped up charges for revenge.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Not the same at all. That's one of the good ones.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 98 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Most German citizens didn't know about the mass killings till after the war, even most soldiers.

People being disappeared with no records being kept...

We can't hide behind ignorance later if/when we find out people were executed. That's the whole point of accountability, without the accountability we have to assume worst case scenario. Or else the worst case scenario will happen under the guise of incompetence and the false belief no one would do this.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 91 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Hey just so you know, it's total bullshit that the german populace didnt know about the holocaust. Some of the civillians may not have known about the specific mechanics, but many were even aware of the gas chambers masquerading as showers, jews included.

People tried to hide behind ignorance after the fact, as I have no doubt they will try to do once this latest atrocity is done. I very much agree that simply being aware does not put us into any position different than the german population in WWII, we must strive to do better than their example.

[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think how many German people knew how much of the truth back then isnt too important. Some people knew some things.

Im more concerned about the strive to do better you mentioned. What does that look like? Do we all need to start neighborhood militias?

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 8 points 2 days ago

I think no one can answer this definitively, but I’m willing to say no to militias, for various reasons (longer conversation).

What we have here is to some extent a privilege of urban density, but it’s more of a “watch” than a militia. In short, civil disobedience. People volunteer as eyes/ears and meat shields for their neighbors. I haven’t yet been detained but have accepted the possibility.

The reason it works better is another long conversation but, in short, it ensures every attack of the enemy costs them something, and sometimes quite a lot. The resulting war of attrition is winnable because each act of unwarranted aggression erodes legitimacy, boosts recruitment, and increases public resolve.

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So they said. There's a lot of counter-evidence to it:

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/education/e-learning/podcast/keeping-the-functioning-of-auschwitz-in-secrecy/

They kept meticulous records by using cutting-edge technology:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Amen to accountability. Using intent instead is pretty much a blank check for the privileged to oppress the average person with impunity.

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[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

People knew about the concentration camps, though, and must have seen there were many more people going in than they could hold. Dachau was maybe 10 miles from Munich, that's walking distance. No way people didn't know, whatever they claimed later.

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[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They knew, ignorance in exchange for reason. Like those people who say that ice detention centers give you hot meals and free place to live

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 6 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Yeah, it’s bullshit. The exterminations were generally known amongst the German public, particularly in the East. Mass executions were even broadcast live on the radio as early as 1941. The deportations left paper trails perfectly accessible to any interested member of the public, and forced labour from the camps became a common sight in public, and with it came the public beatings and summary executions at the hands of their SS overseers.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

People knew they weren't coming back from those trains.

They didn't know exactly how they were going to die, but they knew they wern't going to live on a farm somewhere. They just didn't ask questions because that could get you on the next train.

People hid and smuggled and lied for their friends and in-laws. You don't take that risk from ignorance.

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[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 87 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago

Corporations being people and money being speech is the less-than-fun little answer to that very important query.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because we let it...

Gross oversimplification, but that's the social contract.

This happened because we let it, and it continues to happen because we continue to let it.

The least we can do is be honest about it.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 80 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I just had a mental image in my head of Hitler being furious after finding out that a Jewish employee he deems as "one of the good ones" is sent to the concentration camp. I can imagine the race against time by Hitler himself to save his employee before being locked in to the gas chamber.

[–] Lightfire228@pawb.social 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm torn,

because that sounds like a fantastic premise for a movie...

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's an opportunity there to invent a homoerotic subplot and use it in a sequel to The Producers.

Springtime For Hitler II: Winter Is Coming

[–] BigBrownBeaver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] myster0n@feddit.nl 8 points 2 days ago

For a sequel to springtime for Hitler, you can't just jump to "winter". And with it being homoerotic and thus presumably hot, I suggest Summer Of '39

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What "one of the good ones" really means.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hitler did surprisingly have some close Jewish friend that he let slide. I’ll have to see if i can find that documentary i saw that in. I think it was from one of Mark Felton’s channels on YouTube.

[–] mika_mika@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Most bigots that I've met and interacted with (I don't go around placing this label on random folks, just those that genuinely earned that title) have their "exceptions" to their unbased hatred. These people operate purely off of emotion not logic. Some of them didn't even tokenize their friend they just have gargantuan gaps in their logic.

His driver was Jewish, iirc

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

So, a bit of a spoiler, but...This is basically the plot of the ending of "The Boy in the Striped Pajamas".

It is horrifying, and really sad. But the look of dismay on that officer's face at the end gives a very small touch of karma to it.

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[–] youngGoku@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let's deport Melania next along with Vance's wife.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shapiro too since he's Jewish

although I'm having a bit of a time figuring out if the US loves or hates Jews right now, it's confusing to me

[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

MAGA loves Jews when they are in Israel. They don't want them here. According to them Jewish Americans are liberal, and "control the banks and Hollywood, etc." so in reality they don't like the Jewish but support them not being here. It is an unholy alliance.

I'd argue MAGA loves Israel and hates Jews, they just hate Muslims more, putting their specific support in perspective

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I’m noticing a pattern ….

[–] rockettaco37@feddit.nu 30 points 1 day ago

Let this serve as a warning to all who support fascism. Once these people have no use for you, you'll be who they go after next...

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The only good [insert target minority group of the day] is my [insert target minority group of the day].

You can also put in ‘rape’, ‘sexual assault’, or ‘abortion’ into those two, as well. And now ‘murder’, with the fishing boats off Venezuela.

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Unfortunately, most voters say the same thing about their senators & representatives, which is why turnover in Congress is so low.

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know this would be a slap on the wrist but if this guy actually illegally entered the country and was employed there, that the company was breaking the law and should be investigated as well to determine the fines/possible criminal charges.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. I'd go so far as to say the employer should be the only one on the hook in this situation, and the the immigrant should be considered a victim of exploitation and granted asylum.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I have never understood why this isn't the case.

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[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We have better tracking for my online shopping than for actual people.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'd personally rather not be able to be tracked like a package in most instances.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Sure, when you're free. But if you're under the absolute control of a government, not being able to just be lost is really important.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 13 points 2 days ago

Juarez "had worked for more than a decade at a Trump Organization golf club in New York," noted the report, and suddenly found himself expelled from the United States.

This is why they're not charging employers for hiring undocumented immigrant workers.

[–] fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago

Sounding more and more like the founding fathers. Don't deport his Mexican, he owns that one.

Fucking sick bastard.

[–] brahn@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

I hope this frenzy keeps a shit ton of them from doing their normal "job."

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