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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 99 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've actually found C# quite pleasant to develop with, so long as I didn't have to worry about targeting non-Windows platforms.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's fully cross platform with .NET Core and later.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was even before through mono/xamarin

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[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (8 children)

What does fully cross platform mean? It sounds very vague and a lot like an exaggeration.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago

The standard .NET C# compiler and CLI run on and build for Windows, MacOS, and Linux. You can run your ASP.NET webapps in a Linux docker container, or write console apps and run them on Linux, it doesn't matter anymore. As a .NET dev I have literally no reason to ever touch Windows, unless I'm touching legacy code from before .NET Core or building a Windows-exclusive app using a Windows app framework.

[–] Rookeh@startrek.website 4 points 1 day ago

Well, I'm currently writing a service and frontend, both in C# (Blazor for the UI), and using docker-compose to build and deploy them to a Raspberry Pi running Linux. So not only cross-platform, but cross-architecture as well.

This is not a new thing either. Since .NET Core was released almost 10 years ago, it has supported cross platform development.

[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

I feel the pain in your comment.

I too have been burned by "cross-platform" tooling. What I've learned is the more complex your project is, the less likely it is to have simple cross compliation.

But with that huge caveat, I'll say I've had a better time doing cross comp on dotnet than I have rust. Either of them are infinitely better than learning cmake though. That's definitely just my amateur take though. I'm sure smarter people will tell you I'm wrong.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

True, but what I’m really talking about is the unbeatable user experience of having an application that looks and feels as if it were a native Windows application, because it is and has that first-class platform support straight from the vendor.

With that said, most new cross platform applications today are probably more like electron or Web apps.

[–] kogasa@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok, there's no such thing as native Windows apps for Linux, but there are cross platform GUI frameworks like Avalonia and Uno that can produce apps with a polished identical experience across all platforms, no electron needed

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Qt is my favourite, though it's not .NET.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good lord, I've never seen anyone say this in public. I used Qt Creator for a couple of years and I found the combination of C++ for under the hood and Javascript for the UI to be a fantastic way of ensuring a nearly nonexistent base of developers who could competently do both. Maybe they grow on trees in Finland, I dunno. And maybe you're talking about some other "Qt", I also dunno.

I've done C# and Java extensively as well and I would never choose Qt over them. I might choose Qt over Objective-C, however.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

QML is such an awesome UI language, the only thing (that I know of) that comes close is Jetpack Compose.

The flavour of JavaScript QML uses is very different from regular JavaScript, it's literally a glue language and any significant non-UI logic should be done in C++.

And Qt C++ is very different to most other C++ framework (or how people usually write pure C++), it feels much more Java-inspired.

Anyway, it really is a great UI toolkit if you want something powerful, cross-platform and efficient.

I suppose Qt's cross-platform aspect is a big checkmark in the plus column. My own opinion of Qt is probably colored by the fact that I was forced into it against my will and that the Finns who initially wrote the app were unhelpful and downright hostile to my attempts to customize it in ways that their customization framework did not support.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yea this was a crosspost and also just a meme, but C# is my fav

And really cross-platform has come a LONG way...just as long as you don't need UI on Linux lolol

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago

Not really, even GUI is going strong, check Avalonia UI.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Or realistically on Mac. Mac Catalyst is neat but you’re basically building an iPad UI and afaik that’s all that MAUI supports still

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[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah C# gets a bad rap. I spent a decade developing in C++, and Java before switching to C# because of program requirements. Now I never want to go back.

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

C# development was spearheaded by Anders Hjelsberg, one of the brains behind Borland Delphi/Object Pascal.

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Does it get a bad rap outside of this meme? I've only heard praise. It's by far my favorite language

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's kind of the opposite of eclipse. People who use it like it and people who don't have experience with it disparage it.

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[–] JeromeVancouver@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have used many languages in my 25 years of programming. C# is the best.

I've used many languages/platforms in my 30 years of programming (take that!), including Visual Basic, C, C#, Java, Objective-C and C++. I agree that C# is the best but not by much. They all do pretty much the same things - if one language lacks something that other languages have shown to be beneficial, that something tends to get incorporated in a future update in some form or another, and their glaring weaknesses tend to get corrected as well (like when Objective-C mostly did away with the need to explicitly release fucking everything).

[–] roguelazer@lemmy.world 80 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Poor Visual J# (literal Microsoft Java) isn't even in the picture

[–] dukatos@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sun killed it fast enough so almost nobody remembers.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I'd argue we aborted before it could be born into mainstream

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'm not a big M$-fan but I actually like c# a lot. Java not so much.

I'm no pro though, I just guerilla-code in my spare time. But of all the languages it's actually my most used. Besides PPL and ASM 😁

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have 20 years programming experience and C# is one of my favorite languages. It feels so expressive and doesn't get in your way nearly as much as Java does. I feel like I'm writing the code I want to write instead of writing the code someone from 30 years ago with a fetish for boilerplate wanted me to write.

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[–] mmddmm@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Microsoft Java is one of those cases where MS got the "extend" phase so well executed that they didn't even need to finish the plan.

That said, the language is only good if you insist on using either it or Java. And the ecosystem around it is really, really bad.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You can't really kill a programming language though

Companies are going to continue using it just because it's what they used before

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

C# is a great language but I'll always choose Java because the ecosystem around it is so vast. Often times some client library you need has a c# port maintained by one guy and he hasn't updated in years.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago

OK you probably need it more often than I do. But so far, I always found anything I needed for C#. But I'm surely no measure of course, I'm a casual who only codes stuff i, myself, need. And just me/wifey.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 day ago (3 children)

C# is better than java just because it doesn't have as much brain rotting "DesIgN PaTTeRnS" gurus

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

Also, optional value semantics. I love value semantics!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A shame there is no real FOSS movement behind it (for what I know) it could do with some modernization.

[–] lexiw@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do you mean? The entire stack is open source.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm just hoping for a more thriving community behind it.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think that is probably due to the places where it shrines isn't often a FOSS area. All my corporate use was for these massive windows applications. FOSS many times are small teams making very targeted solutions. Aside from Android, it feels like Java programmers are picking java out of personal skill. I don't known what apps I use would be a good target for C#.

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[–] mmddmm@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Instead you get rotten-brained dependency injection rules.

[–] AnotherPenguin@programming.dev 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] some_random_nick@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] VivianRixia@piefed.social 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TypeScript?

It is Microsoft JavaScript.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

TypeScript is actually pretty nice, it'd be JScript instead.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TypeScript is only nice compared to JavaScript. It still has most of the warts and footguns of JS, but the typing system really is badly needed.

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[–] Hupf@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

I remember J++. Ew.

[–] coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 3 points 17 hours ago

I just unlocked a core memory.

[–] cbazero@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There is a third brother nobody ever even mentions ... He is also named after an island

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Kotlin is one of my favorite languages

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