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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Okay I get you're playing devil's advocate here, but set that aside for a moment. Is it more likely that BBC has a specialized chatbot that orchestrates expert APIs including for analyzing photos, or that the reporter asked ChatGPT? Even in the unlikely event I'm wrong, what is the message to the audience? That ChatGPT can investigate just as well as BBC. Which may well be the case, but it oughtn't be.

My second point still stands. If you sent someone to look at the thing and it's fine, I can tell you the photo is fake or manipulated without even looking at the damn thing.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

If the article were written 10 years ago I would’ve just assumed they had used something like:

https://fotoforensics.com/

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

ChatGPT is a fronted for specialized modules.

If you e.g. ask it to do maths, it will not do it via LLM but run it through a maths module.

I don't know for a fact whether it has a photo analysis module, but I'd be surprised if it didn't.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not like BBC is a single person with no skill other than a driving license and at least one functional eye.

Hell, they don't even need to go, just call the local services.

For me it's most likely that they have a specialized tool than an LLM detecting correctly tampering with the photo.

But if you say it's unlikely you're wrong, then I must be wrong I guess.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

what is the message to the audience? That ChatGPT can investigate just as well as BBC.

What about this part?

Either it's irresponsible to use ChatGPT to analyze the photo or it's irresponsible to present to the reader that chatbots can do the job. Particularly when they've done the investigation the proper way.

Deliberate or not, they are encouraging Facebook conspiracy debates by people who lead AI to tell them a photo is fake and think that's just as valid as BBC reporting.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

About that part I would say the article doesn't mention ChatGPT, only AI.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"AI Chatbot". Which is what to 99% of people, almost certainly including the journalist who doesn't live under a rock? They are just avoiding naming it.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. It's ChatGPT. You got them good. You passed the test Neo. Now get the pills.

[–] riskable@programming.dev -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's irresponsible to suggest to readers that they can use an AI chatbot to examine any given image to see if it was AI-generated. Even the lowest-performing multi-model chatbots (e.g. Grok and ChatGPT) can do that pretty effectively.

Also: Why stop at one? Try a whole bunch! Especially if you're a reporter working for the BBC!

It's not like they give an answer, "yes: Definitely fake" or "no: Definitely real." They will analyze the image and give you some information about it such as tell-tale signs that an image could have been faked.

But why speculate? Try it right fucking now: Ask ChatGPT or Gemini (the current king at such things BTW... For the next month at least hahaha) if any given image is fake. It only takes a minute or two to test it out with a bunch of images!

Then come back and tell us that's irresponsible with some screenshots demonstrating why.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't need to do that. And what's more, it wouldn't be any kind of proof because I can bias the results just by how I phrase the query. I've been using AI for 6 years and use it on a near-daily basis. I'm very familiar with what it can do and what it can't.

Between bias and randomness, you will have images that are evaluated as both fake and real at different times to different people. What use is that?