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[–] Aliktren@lemmy.world 85 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They arent alone, eu, uk, the nordics. canada, australia, japan, taiwan, and a bunch of other nations all have common cause

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 45 points 1 day ago

And even the EU alone does not need to hide from the US. Including the other countries shifts it even more.

It is the US that is becoming more and more alone, especially if we finally do our homework and realise our potential.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They arent alone

Yes agreed , it's been imo dramatically portrayed as we have been overly dependant on the US to take the lead after WWII. They were able to cut through most internal divisions, and now its enterily up to us.

Time to feel more confident and step out in the World, not as post-WWII Europe or an infant sucking at anyone's tits, but as self conscious and aware Union with it's own character, values and way of life.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How about falling to fascism and alignment with Russia or the USA, one country at a time? The process of undermining European democracy internally is already well underway.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How about falling

Yeah how about that? The rise of Facism is most certainly not uniquely a European problem for starters, they are growing roots everywhere There is a whole worldwide culture war going on.

The undermining of Europe has existed for a long while now actually; let's say since after the construction of the Berlin wall. The difference now is that's concentrated in the resurgence of the extreme right, also it seems more widespread , and the last years the efforts by US and or RF and CCP have intensified.

In a very weird way Europe should really thank the UK for the Brexit. If that event hadn't shook Europe to it's core, the anti-EU lobby would now have had a much stronger grip.

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What about Africa? There's a lot to gain in Africa. It's not all war and corruption, there's plenty of oppertunity to grow business relations. With Europe's declining worker population and Africa's growing population, it might be a good idea to look at emigration or outsourcing opportunities there.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Due to the colonial history most of Africa isn't particularly fond of Europe. And modern France being insensitive on the issue certainly didn't help this lately.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What European countries should do is to make a big noise about how the Russia is a colonial empire. There are tens and tens of cultures living under the Russia's fist, without rights to rule their lands and with all their natural resources extracted for the colonizing country's use, leaving almost nothing in the colony itself.

The Russia is just the same as France used to be, and what France still partially is. It is ridiculous that anti-colonialists in Africa end up supporting the only colonial empire that has never done the least to free its colonies even to a small extent.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very few in Africa are under any sort of illusions about Russia. They just play both sides for their own benefit.

And it is anyways China that has a much bigger influence these days in many African countries.

[–] Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Very few what in Africa are under any sort of illusions about the Russia?

I would say that regarding the people ruling those countries you are either correct or mostly correct, but regarding the general public... I would be surprised if things were as you say. Europe has done nothing about it, the Russia has done a lot about it. How could they have a realistic view of the Russia when nobody is doing anything whatsoever to counter the Russian propaganda anywhere on the whole continent?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 11 hours ago

Taking in Africans is political poison right now in Europe, and outsourcing local industries has never been super popular even if it makes sense.

I'm sure it will happen, Africa will develop and start taking on lots of low-end manufacturing and similar, and Europe will probably be a very good customer. But, in terms of a strategic alliance for the EU, most African nations are not a contender. South Africa maybe.

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

And with a "friend" like today's usa we don't need enemies

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yet what they all have in common primarily is that their population is majorily made up by morons. And so they all happily vote for right-wing populists preaching "nationalist interests" and "souvereignity" over common cause and blaming someone else for the problems they actively cause to enrich themselves.