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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Which is not a thing, EU does NOT have chat control, it is only a debate, and judging from experience, if they ever make a decision on it, it more likely than not will be quite sensible.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hate to break it to you, must most member states are supporting chat control by now

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Everything can be misrepresented, which is what you are doing. The reason there are talks about this is that it isn't legal within the current framework of EU regulation.
So to make it possible, new regulation is needed!!!
I am very skeptical that any EU country is already doing it, except in ways that are legal within regulation that protect the privacy of EU citizens.
Otherwise it is illegal, and those states are breaking EU regulation, and that is absolutely NOT the responsibility of EU!!

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-003250_EN.html

This is an example of the skepticism within EU about breaking the protected privacy.
EU is not perfect, but it is 10 times more perfect than what it is often accused of.

Please state something that is actually wrong, instead of this moronic fearmongering!

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 points 1 day ago

I don't think you understand what is being decided here. This isn't about making legal what other countries are already doing, this is creating the framework for countries to introduce this kind of shit legally.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A dismembered chat control version where it is only voluntary.

No chat app is going to voluntarily add it, and even if they did you can easily switch to a chat app that doesn't, which isn't illegal.

Just because there are a bunch of fascists trying to implement it doesn't mean the entire EU is working against the general population. Literally every other instance of the EU doing something has helped the general population. The EU is one of the best things to ever happen to Europe.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

only voluntary ... No chat app is going to voluntarily add it

To cite bender from futurama:

Hahahahahhahaha.

Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Not sure if you've noticed, but "voluntary" usually results in mandatory after a while. We had this happen so often already. Remember the "Voluntary" Code of Conduct on hate speech in the EU? Yeah that started out as voluntary - then there was the DSA, digital services act, which uses the "voluntary" code of conduct as the baseline of determining if they are compliant. So the thing that started out voluntary is not effectively mandatory.

Or, in the US, there was the REAL ID system which was a voluntary system aswell - well, until it wasn't because it is now required to board flights or you'll be denied entry into certain federal facilities if you don't have it.

So no - voluntary isn't voluntary for long. There is usually mission creep which, at some point, makes it mandatory.

and even if they did you can easily switch to a chat app that doesn’t, which isn’t illegal

Very weak argument, as messaging apps are only popular if people use them - and we know exactly how hard that is for most people. Whatsapp has been shitting on people for years and still it's the most popular messaging app.

Just because there are a bunch of fascists trying to implement it doesn’t mean the entire EU is working against the general population.

That is not the point. The problem isn’t whether people pushing it are "fascists", it’s that the policy is structurally dangerous because it can be used by fascists in the future. Once the framework is in place, changing the rules becomes a matter of weeks.

Of course "the entire EU" isn't acting in bad faith. But harmful laws don’t require bad intent or unanimous malice. They only require a majority that underestimates long-term consequences. And please remember that this would not be the first badly thought out law they had passed.

In germany, there is a saying which roughly translates to: "The opposite of well done is well meant".