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Purity testing everything you use means you have to get off Lemmy, if you look at the statements from some of the core devs. It is no way to live and is pretty much incompatible with being on the internet. Framework is clearly doing more good than harm, and while no company is perfect or immune from critique, feedback from customers does more than knee-jerk comments from people with no stakes.
No, I just don't give them any money. If I were to procure a Framework Laptop by means of a genie wish, I would still use it. I am probably using a ton of open source software right now made by people I can't stand. Also I can purity check and boycott whoever I like, whenever I like. I don't have to live by your rules. You do you.
So you'd rather buy a laptop from a vendor that gives price breaks to ICE, such as Dell and HP, or one indirectly owned by the CCP such as Lenovo? That's certainly a choice.
buy used or third party refurbished. just because all the big tech companies are evil is no reason to excuse evil in small tech
Or
... you could just buy from another company like framework but without the nazi shit.
Like: https://novacustom.com/
Configure what laptop you want and buy it.
If any random part breaks, you can buy a replacement and switch it out.
You could say this about literally every Chinese owned company. Eliminate all Chinese and all American companies and there's not a lot of goods left you could purchase. Even less when it comes to goods made for other companies in China by Chinese firms.
Do you intend to purchase a new laptop from another vendor?
It's not a purity test, it's boycotting an admitted Nazi friendly organization. When Framework chose to embrace, financially support, and then when called out on it, specifically state that the Nazis are welcome in their big tent, that tent became a Nazi tent. That's not a tent me or many others want to be in, because that makes the Nazis feel welcome and free to attack anyone else in the tent with no repercussions and with the full, spoken support of Framework.
Fuck that, and fuck you if you don't like it.
Counterpoint. This line of thinking is what got me living under an ACTUAL fascist regime right now. People did purity testing with Harris on whatever issue, pick your poison (Gaza, police accountability, etc) and it moved the needle. How much will never be known, but a chunk of people spent so much time listening to talking heads and streamers that they decided to not vote for her. And now we have Trump, destabilizing the world, letting a guy with brain worms decide everyone's health. Harris would have been the best option by far even if she was not perfect, but fixing good was always a better option than rejecting not-perfect. If framework goes away, good luck getting another right-to-repair first org to build hardware. There has never been a better time to make the point "stop purity testing things, acknowledge when things are the better option, and work to make them even better." All this "us vs. them" and using language that paints anything as black or white moves the needle on people passively reading comments, and does actual harm. Living in a world without a grey area does actual harm.
I phone banked for Harris but she was making our jobs harder by taking unpopular positions. What will you have me say to the voter who won't vote for a Newsom presidency because they take AIPAC money? Because I was told to just move on and call the next person.
You tell them to plug their nose and swallow the medicine because the consequences of not choosing the better of 2 options in a 2 party system is loss of life and rights for innumerable people all over the world.
I don't think I have ever seen that explanation work on someone who is misinformed, but if I am proven wrong then the world will be a better place.
America ended up in a fascist regime because liberals wanted cheaper eggs and became convinced only Donald Trump could make it happen.
Blaming liberals for everything is a nice, wholesome American activity. They seem to simultaneously be ineffective at anything, but also responsible for all the evil in the world
Why does that sound so familiar? Hmm....
OH. Uh-oh.
Yeah, my neighbor's believed in this a lot. My counter argument was always "How can you vote for hate?" Wasn't anyone around for his first term?
This isn't purity testing, this is not giving money to fascist fucks who actually want to see me and my family dead.
Your analogy is bogus because this is the Fediverse and we can defederate from tankies without giving them money. The entire topic revolves around how Framework spends money. Whataboutism in this context is a classic defense of fascism, for what it's worth.