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So you won't buy the most user maintainable and repairable laptop, that also comes with Linux and probably worth open source firmware in the not too distant future because you don't like the politics of the owner of an open source project the company supports?
That really feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face
I mean, when the political stance of the supported company is "I would literally murder you of I could" the politics become kinda relevant ๐ฅฒ
Is that some hyperbole? Or is there a source to that? I'm out of the loop*, so apologies for my ignorance.
Yes, it's hyperbole.
Framework gave money or laptops to a bunch of different Linux projects and has generally been very active in the Linux community.
One of the laptops they gave out went to DDH, who in addition to having a project that in reality is little more than an Arch script, also posts a lot of alt-right drivel online.
Most famously him moaning about London being too full of immigrants - something made even more ironic given that he himself is an immigrant to the UK. Clearly he meant non-white immigrants.
It's unknown how much Framework knew about his unsavoury opinions, and plenty of other projects they've supported have been very progressive, so it doesn't seem like they're choosing to support only people who align with a specific political stance.
A lot of people are frustrated with their response to the criticism - that they're a small team that don't want to wade into the politics of each project they donate a laptop to. Which I kind of understand, but I also understand being miffed at them for sending a laptop to a super hateful person then shrugging their shoulders and saying "look, we don't want to be political or have to research the personal opinions of people in the community".
Personally I think it's more of a fuckup and PR misstep rather than endorsing any particular world-view.
Yes... But sadly no? First example that comes to mind, you can check "dhh blog" on the internet (๐คฎ) and if you read enough you will get to see the kind of person he is... You can also check this about Hyprland: https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html
So what are you buying instead?
Honestly, when my current laptop dies, I will just get a used cheap thinkpad just like anybody else or even SSD any trash-going relic. If you want some alternative, someone commented this that looked interesting: https://mntre.com/reform.html
Although it comes with obvious limitations: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/is-the-mnt-reform-the-best-repairable-laptop-available/113321
Unless I am mistaken Lenovo has at least all of the ethical issues of Framework if not more. What would make a used Lenovo better than a used Framework?
Fair point. Mostly price, you can get one for like 100โฌ. I also feel like the used market is more fair than buying new, so there's that.
If it were me, I'd go novacustom. They're framework without the nazi shit.
Just get a Thinkpad or build a desktop lol. Who said anything about cutting off our noses?
It's a well-known figure of speech.
I know? They were speaking metaphorically and so was I?
Why are their question marks at the end of your sentences? Are you posing those questions to me? Are you trying to illustrate some sort of vocal inflection? If so, then that's even more confusing.
Thinkpads are more expensive and far far less user serviceable