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Canada’s Submarine Dilemma: Type 212CD vs KSS-III (www.michaeljlalonde.com)
submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by CanadaPlus@futurology.today to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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I can't vouch for the author at all, but this seems like a nice detailed, technical look at the difference between the two.

TL;DR the 212CD is very good at what in biology would be called "sit and wait predation". It's designed to sneak into an ocean floor crevice and hang out there, possibly for for weeks until something comes by, and then attack it. The Hanwha offering, on the other hand, is less superlatively stealthy and maneuverable, but is much more flexible, allowing missile launches and likely having a much longer range.

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[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree with the author's conclusion that the KSS-III is the most sensible choice at this moment. However this does not mean that our navy does not also need 212CDs. Unfortunately it probably, knowing Canadian politics, means we won't ever get them.

This phrase is rather telling:

since Arctic sovereignty remains popular within Liberal and Conservative circles alike

The fact that "sovereignty" is considered a political question at all, and is merely "popular" and not "essential" is beautifully emblematic of the completely absurd Canadian point of view on the issue. If we are not willing to defend our North, then we frankly do not deserve it, and almost certainly will not have it for much longer.

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yep. If we want to stand on our own to feet, just the ability to attack a ship (eventually) isn't enough. The ability to roll up anywhere on the same ocean and fire missiles is at least as useful. Buying both might be an option, although that costs.

I think it was meant that the arctic isn't the only theater that matters. According to the bio Micheal Lalond was in the military, so it's not a "nobody will ever attack us" thing.