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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Seriously, the IDF is hardly a professional military at this point, in most ways it is simply a formalized institution for ethnic cleansing using expensive military equipment they are given as handouts by the US military.

The IDF does not even follow basic rules of engagement, they see a civilian, have impulse feelings about it and then shoot. No threat analysis, no consideration over whether lethal force is necessary by a chain of command and absolutely NO accountability for blatant horrific war crimes. The IDF is not a military, it is a bunch of murderers wearing military fatigues.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not disagreeing, but "at this point" implies they were ever anything else.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Back in 1994, the IDF granted Itamar Ben-Gvir an exemption from mandatory military service due to his right wing views. He has since been convicted (in Israeli courts) of supporting a terrorist organization, and is currently serving as Israel's minister of national security; and is a key figure in maintaining the current governing coalition.

The governing coalition has been in constant tension with senior IDF leadership, which has long argued that all achievable military objectives in Gaza have been achieved, and that continued operation is counter productive.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The governing coalition has been in constant tension with senior IDF leadership, which has long argued that all achievable military objectives in Gaza have been achieved, and that continued operation is counter productive.

The IDF is still full of foot soldiers who have willingly and knowingly prosecuted the Palestinian Genocide, the entire "military" structure is complicit top to bottom. IDF soldiers all the way from the top leadership down to grunts deserve to be in jail equally.

Israeli society has been radicalized into genocide, complicity is omnipresent and distributed down chains of command, if IDF personnel think they can argue "I was just following orders!" they are ignorant fools who refused to learn history or listen to basic calls for human empathy and they deserve to be prosecuted as active and willing participants in the Palestinian Genocide to the full extent possible.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

has long argued that all achievable military objectives in Gaza have been achieved

Over 120k people dead. Most buildings and infrastructure turned to rubble. "Mission accomplished".

[–] PanGodofPanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They've proven themselves a capable actual army in the past against numerically far superior opponents, displaying both organizational and individual competence alongside their evil. Now they don't even have that. It's just a very well funded gang.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago

Yeah that's fair, though I do have to note that other than Yom Kippur in none of Israel's past conflicts was it seriously outnumbered. That's the image they like to sell, and intuitively it feels like it should be true, but it's really not. Israel has always been good at raising massive armies relative to their population, and for instance surprisingly way outnumbered their enemies in 1948. Again not contesting your point; I agree that they were much more competent in the past.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

If you refer to the 47 it is propaganda. The numbers of soldiers on both sides was very close and at first the zionists militias weapons was inferior but chsnged quickly

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

My understanding is that they absolutely get their shit pushed in when they can't hide behind their airplanes and have to fight armed adversaries in face-to-face combat.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Oct 7th offensive was only turned around when gunships showed up. "The best most badass armed forces" in one of the most fortified and militarized region on earth were utterly destroyed by guys with trucks and AKs.

The myth of the IDF being elite and uniquely brave is one of the biggest dog shit lies ever told.