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[–] sparkles@piefed.zip 120 points 1 day ago (6 children)

And I can’t even tell if it’s because printers have gotten worse or millennials are just the IT department forever.

[–] f314@lemmy.world 146 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s 100 % because you no longer need to understand how information technology works in order to use it.

So our parents didn’t know because the tech didn’t exist (or came late in their life), and our kids because they never needed to learn.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 69 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I work in an industry where we use computers all day and this is painfully clear. I grew up with a mouse in my hand, shortcuts are hardwired into my brain. Watching someone right click them slowly move the cursor to copy, then right click and slowly move to paste, then slowly navigate to formulas then click refresh is brutal. It literally takes them 3-4x as long as it takes me to do the same task.

On the bright side, I only work about 20 hours a week and still outperform them, so thanks I guess?

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago

I was hella unemployed for a while, and the job centre asked me if I was good with computers. I replied "not really. I cab do a little HTML, and can sort of read JS and C++/C# but can't really write anything with them" so they sent me on a course so I could brush up on my computer skills to improve my prospects of getting a job.

I spent my first lesson teaching everyone else what the difference between left click and right click was, and how the little arrow moves when you wiggle the mouse.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gen X here and I memorized only 3 shortcuts: cut, copy, and paste

[–] JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I've gotta have my Ctrl+T and Ctrl+N and of course my Ctrl+W. And you KNOW I've got my Ctrl+Shift versions of everything, naturally. Oh man, and my Windows+Tab, how could I forget you?

[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can't count the times Ctrl+Shift+T has saved my browsers sessions. Or when I close a tab and 5 seconds later think, wait I needed that one.

Also je youtube player controls. J, K, L, etc. Got so annoyed by the video player not responding to spacebar because the video wasn't focused that I just stopped using the spacebar.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Youtube's controls are stupid. Left and right skip 5 seconds forward and backward respectively, and up and down adjust the volume.

However, if you've recently adjusted the volume slider with the mouse, then left and right ALSO adjust volume, and can't be used to skip forward/backward anymore until you unfocus the volume bar.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, those annoying people who need accessibility and navigate web pages via keyboard focus, they ruined YouTube controls for the rest of us.

[–] JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

There's a button on the side of my mouse dedicated to each of those shortcuts you just mentioned. 🤣

[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also win+space to switch from English to Japanese and back! And inside that, shift+caps to switch between kana and kanji, and romaji!

(I’m on Mint, but I changed the shortcuts to be Windows default because that’s what I’m used to. Still works great, sometimes I hamfist the wrong kanji in the sentence because I’m just not looking too closely, but I’ve seen native English speakers abuse the shit out of “your” and “there”.)

[–] JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I definitely have a lot more I use, I just had an I Think You Should Leave sketch in my head and tried to do a shitty riff on it. 🤣

https://youtube.com/shorts/4qi7MsXyP8E

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, I guess there is a fourth one I've memorized. Win + L to lock the computer at work.

I have no idea what ctrl+ T, N, or W do.

[–] JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

New tab, new window and close tab/window in that order for Firefox.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

You sound like someone who frequently accidentally brings up the emoji keyboard when you're trying to go to the end of the line here on Lemmy.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

Alt-E, select copy, Alt-E, select paste.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's partially that. It's also because printers do suck more now. Had an HP 5p in the 90s that was a workhorse, reliable as hell, and would simply print whatever you sent. period.

[–] f314@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Fair enough, printers suck! Laser printers seem to be less of a racket than inkjets, but still..

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 day ago

I tried older HP PSC 1315 on Windows 11.
Windows 11: Cannot find drivers, use manufacturer's website.
HP: Windows will automatically download drivers, no downloads are provided.

Uuuh... thanks?

Soooooo... archive.org.

I feel like there was definitely a golden age for printers, because when I was a kid we had an Epson Stylus Color 800 that was literally Satan crammed into a shitty beige box, but my HP LaserJet from like 2012 is still going strong.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have a great rule to promote self reliance. I'll gladly help you, but if the answer is in the first 20 results on Google, it costs you 50 euro.

I only had one relative get angry, asking how he was supposed to know if it was. I told him to check, and he angrily said "well then I might as well do it myself".

Exactly.

[–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Those first 20 results in 2025:

  • 1-4: AI slop
  • 5: Reddit thread (no comments)
  • 6: Reddit thread (comment including the solution has been deleted)
  • 7-9: AI slop
  • 10: Microsoft support forum (two pages of generic advice from support workers located in India who get paid a starvation wage)
  • 11-12: stack exchange (both with poorly written questions followed by angry comments)
  • 13: quora (nonsense mixed with stuff that somehow actually makes things worse???)
  • 14: Wikipedia
  • 15-17: AI slop
  • 18: Reddit thread (only one comment "nvm figured it out")
  • 19: Arch Linux forum (links to Arch Wiki)
  • 20: the actual solut... no wait, it's also AI slop
[–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

18: Reddit thread (only one comment "nvm figured it out")

“Who were you, DenverCoder9? What did you see?!

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You vastly overestimate the level of these questions. Think "how do I send photos on Whatsapp".

Most of the stuff is accurately answered by the shitty AI most of the time.

[–] Phunter@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

20??? I'm pretty sure if you scroll down past 5 results you're already in the top 1% of users doing so.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought this was about Gen X, rooky Gen X mistake, sorry, forgot we forgotten.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They don't forget us when they are struggling with their computer...

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Today I had to teach two people from different generations, the difference between right and left click.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago

Did you mention the center wheel click? No? Probably for the best.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not just millennials… I’ve been family IT support since the late 80s. And not just printers. TVs, cable, VCRs, DVD players, BlueRay, stereos, home theater, networking, WiFi, smart appliances, laptops, tablets, phones, etc.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just millennials… I’ve been family IT support since the late 80s.

I mean, as a millennial I only missed that by a couple of years. I was already the most computer-literate person in the house when I was 7, in the early '90s.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Were you the only one who knew how to press the input button on the remote to switch devices?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Trick question: back then, we changed to channel 3 and turned on the device hooked up to the RF adapter.

Also, my parents struggle with changing inputs on the remote now. I'm not sure if they regressed in their old age or never knew to begin with, but either is plausible.

[–] sparkles@piefed.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like being competent in electronics can be so aggravating depending on how people treat you. I don’t even want to think about those giant tv/dvd/multi-disc changer set-ups with sound systems people had. Rip.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have set up so many home theater systems over the years. And before things like HDMI-ARC or even toslink so it was always a pain to get everything plugged in and working. 14 remotes and a multifaceted spell you had to cast to get sound working. Man what a pain…

[–] sparkles@piefed.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah…I forgot about the basket of remotes.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It's because the kids don't care enough to learn. Seriously.

This is a generalization, it does not include everyone.