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Anti-fascist groups named as US terror threats ‘barely exist’, experts say (www.theguardian.com)
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Designation of groups from Italy, Germany and Greece labelled ‘ridiculous’ as experts say no active threat posed

Experts have told the Guardian the same anti-fascist groups the US state department recently named as foreign terrorist organizations and accused of “conspiring to undermine foundations of western civilization” barely qualify as groups, let alone terrorist organizations, and pose no active threat to Americans.

“The whole thing is a bit ridiculous,” said Heidi Beirich, co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, which tracks extremist movements worldwide, “because the groups designated by the administration barely exist and certainly aren’t terrorists.”

In a release put out earlier this month, the Trump administration, which has made no secret of its hatred for leftists in the US and abroad, named Antifa Ost in Germany, the Italy-based International Revolutionary Front, and two organisations in Greece – Armed Proletarian Justice and Revolutionary Class Self Defense – to its long list of designated terrorist organizations.

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[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

You really don't need to be an expert at all to know how stupid this is.

You do need to be a complete lunatic to believe Trump's propaganda though.

Unfortunately, that's a huge chunk of Americans, and lunatics don't believe in facts, reason or common sense, so whatever experts say, won't change a thing.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago

It’s just more pretense to manufacture whatever evidence against whoever they want.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The point isn't to actually go after these specific tiny foreign groups. The goal is to brand any organization that's labeled "Antifa" as a foreign terrorist group. There could be some non violent antifa group in Portland, with no ties to any foreign organization whatsoever. The DOJ can go in, arrest all members, and charge them with terrorism for being members of a foreign terrorist group. Would these charges actually stick in court? No. After years and tens of thousands in attorneys fees, the charges will be dropped. But the process is the punishment.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Are they going to invade Poland, their NATO ally, to arrest them? Because USA laws only apply in the USA.

It's just a fucking farce, with no consequences other than Trump scoring some points for "fighting far-left radical terrorists".

Unless he really lost his mind and plans to invade Europe to get rid of these "terrorists".

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Who said anything about foreign action? I just told you exactly what the purpose of this rule is. It's to maliciously prosecute domestic peaceful protesters. This isn't some farce or distraction. It's the core purpose of the thing.

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think they just misread Portland for Poland. That's where the misunderstanding lies.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Ah yes, I remember reading in history class about that time Stalin and Hitler signed a secret treaty to divide up the territory of the Portland metropolitan area. :D

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

How can you prosecute domestic terrorists if they are actually foreign terrorists?

I think you're mixing up the two.

FYI, the article is about foreign terrorist groups, not domestic .

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No you are confused. You can prosecute born US citizens for being a member of a foreign terrorist group.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

That makes much more sense

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

At this point, calling Trumpists "lunatics" is an insult to the moon. We need new superlatives to express the depths of how fucked up they are.