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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

It's getting tiresome to constantly explain this shit...

Tourism is almost always an extractive activity, kinda like mining only it sells a place's natural beauty and/or culture built by previous generations rather than whatever is dug out of the ground, and like mining it suffers from it's own version of the Resource Curse:

  • Most of the population isn't needed to extract that "resource" and there's no need for those who work in it to be highly educated or have much of a quality of life
  • Most of the gains from Tourism end up in a small number number of hands and don't really trickle down
  • Tourism has all manner of destructive side-effects, from actual natural environment destruction and overcrowding to massive realestate bubbles that push out the locals.
  • It's kind of a silver bullet for politicians, especially for the crooked ones, since they don't really need to invest in the broader population and their welfare to get themselves lots of money from Tourism, be it from thankfull Tourism Industry companies or from the value of their own realestate investments going up thanks to the realestate prices going up as the Demand for space (and, in the era of AirBnB, the actual residential units) from Tourism adds up to the normal demand from people living there, pushing prices up like crazy.

Tourism can be a good thing for most people in the kind of place like a little village in a developing nation with mainly primary sector industries at a subsistence level, because it brings better jobs than subsistence farming or fishing and which reward some level of education (enough to read and write in English), plus it brings money from people from much richer countries, but it's a totally different thing when we're talking about established cities in nations which are supposedly developed because there it brings jobs which require lower educational qualifications than most people there have, because of the side effects of Tourism (such as the above mentioned realestate prices and overcrowding) which make it hard for the existing Industries already present there to profitably operate and finally because it isn't even a path towards becoming a richer nation since the kind of customers it has to attract are those from already rich nations which aren't crazily ahead in the income scale, so it has to remain cheap enough to attract them hence it's wealth production abilities is in the main capped because of having to stay below that of those nations - you're not going to build a modern and advanced powerhouse nation with an industry that sells sunshine and old buildings to foreigned from modern and advanced powerhouse nations whilst employing people with mid-level or lower qualifications: you can bring a developing nation up with it but you can't use it to push a developed nation all that much up from poor developed nation with Tourism.

People inside the Tourism Industry love it because they personally make money from it and Politicians love it because their "generous friends" make money from it, they themselves indirectly make money from it and they can be completelly total crap at managing a country and Tourism still keeps on generating money because it mainly depends on natural beauty and/or ancient buildings and people with low and mid levels of Education that don't even need to be locals so the fatcats in nations underinvesting in their people still make lots of money from Tourism.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Weird take.

How is tourism extractive like mining? What is extracted?

You could make the same complaints of any primary industry.

If you think of inflows and outflows to and from a small local economy, in an era where almost every purchase is an outflow to Amazon et al, tourism is an important inflow. Locals cant just keep passing the same $1 around until someone spends it online, you need money coming in.

You can call it "trickle down" economics if you like, but i dont think thats a fair summation. In a small coffee shop, there's no fat cat corporate owner, but a half dozen people with jobs.

Its absolutely true that in some places airbnb has reduced the number of homes available to locals, but thats not generally true of all tourist destinations. Most jurisdictions where this is / was a significant problem have enacted appropriate laws to mitigate it.

Its not about crooked politicians and their rich friends. A reasonable level of tourism is good for everyone, but too much can obviously cause problems.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

It's extractive because tourists don't add or contribute to the reason that place is a tourist destination to begin with and in fact often take away or are detrimental.

Of course they bring money but too many and the start to crush the vibe, ruin the housing market and sometimes cause gentrification pushing out the people who were originally there.

Some people are fine but too many can ruin things pretty quick. In the age of Instagram and accessible travel it doesn't take much for a small place to get over run in just a few years.

For an extreme example look at the lines to get up to mount Everest.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is a dramatic generalisation.

There are plenty of tourist destinations that people love because they are over-run with tourists - the very antithesis of your comment.

I'm not really sure how tourists are ruining the housing market on mount everest. As an aside, I suspect the locals are generally pretty happy with the tourism industry on and around mount everest.

Of course there are examples of tourism disaffecting locals, but these cases are really limited. In general, tourism is a great industry for regional centres.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Mate, I grew up in a highly touristic country - Portugal, specifically in Lisbon - which is now on its second wave of being "discovered" as a Touristic place, and the same kind of shit described by the previous posts which happened to Algarve (the region in the south) during the first wave that sold beaches & sunshine is now happening in the second wave that's selling culture & old-buildings in places like Lisbon and Porto.

I've also lived for almost a decade in Amsterdam and the exact same shit was starting to happen there when I left (and it became much worse before the locals rebelled and elected a city hall that cracked down in it).

I've also lived in London were the same shit was happening, though slowed than in the other cities (maybe because it's a much larger city), though they do have the worst housing bubble in the whole of Europe.

I've actually seen this shit happen before and am currently seeing this shit happen right now (I'm back in Portugal, though not Lisbon, but my parents still live in the outskirts of it), so am not just pulling wishfull thinking opinions out of my arse.

Methinks you've never seen first hand over a couple years how Tourism can destroy the character of a place as locals get kicked out to be replaced by AirBnBs, so old corner grocery-shops don't have enough customers and end up replaced by stores selling knick-knacks to tourists, how more broadly you see phenomenons like traditional local restaurants being replace by the kind of restaurant you find in international airports or theatrical "typical" restaurants and how all other industries start getting pushed out by Tourism because cost of living (especiallly housing) for people who work in that city is too high for local salaries and the rents of commercial premises get too high.

It's all fine and dandy when you're a cottage tourist destination and Tourism is mostly a side-show next to all the other Economic activity there, but when a place becomes a major tourist destination there are all manner of massive nasty side effects of it which amongst other things hinder all other economic activities (as everything becomes much more expensive there, most notably housing) and then your country is 20% dependent on it, ready to be fucked next time a vulcano in Iceland coughs up a proper ash cloud and stops most flights in Europe for a month or, more likely, a big world Economic downturn comes and people cut down on unecessary expenses such as vacations abroad.

As it so happens most tourists go to "major tourist destinations", which is were Tourism is most damaging, so that experience of the meme is indeed the most common.

[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because you seem like a person wanting to learn and not a bot, here is a video by John Oliver, 6 years ago, about the actual local situation in Everest.

The causes will be varied, and the housing market is not threatened in Everest because tourists don't use houses in Everest the way tourists use houses in Europe (Airbnb), but they're is always incredible damage in whatever thing, local owners use tourist money, to fuck local workers about, not caring for the Shit and damage left behind. In the case is Everest, that Shit is literal. In other places, that Shit is off-season ghost towns, underfunded schools and local necessities, and corrupt local politicians.

This is just capitalism by design, it's not unique to tourism. It IS the owner's fault, not the tourist's, but the tourist buys the meal that the local no longer can afford, because tourists by definition go be tourists in cheaper countries than their own. Do you understand what that means? The locals that serve the tourists, get so little money in comparison, that it's not even funny.

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