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Honest question, how do you Apple fans keep supporting this company?
Well, not a fan, exactly, but I am forced to be fully engulfed in the apple ecosystem.
I don’t hate them more than Dell, Asus, Sony, or Microsoft. Not everything they make is a ripoff.
Main issue I have with that company is the ridiculous pricing of SSD or RAM upgrades. I'm not paying $200 for extra 256gb, we're not in 2008 anymore
And that it can't be upgraded after purchase
Edit, went to watch the price of the 256gb SSD upgrade and I was wrong. It's not $200 but it's €250 👍🏻
Edit2: I was also wrong about the SSD pricing in 2008, they're selling it at year 2012 prices, not year 2008 prices
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Uh, I think you are agreeing with my last point…? You savvy user you.
Yes but it's annoying to being forced to workaround the issue with USB drives..
Also I'd like to get 32gb or 64gb because it's shared with GPU... But a Mac mini with 64gb costs 2500 euro (THREE TIMES!!!) instead of the 750 euro base model with 16gb...
I think that is funny
Yeah true skimming eh! Fuck Apple.
Yes it's annoying, which is why storage on the list. I have different but equal complaints about other manufacturers.
FWIW I usually advise a compromise at 512GB as that is enough for most current working active projects, then periodically offload to a media or archive drive. Most clients are fine with that.
In the cases where 32GB of RAM is needed and not just nice to have, maybe a different computer is better, like LLM capable machines with discrete GPUs. If you need more RAM for professional purposes like Vectorworks, well it’s a write-off and the cost vanishes compared to ROI so whining is just indulgent.
Personally I wouldn't call the MacBook air good value for money. It's not a bad computer but it's very expensive for the specs you get. You're basically paying for it to be very thin and really it's no more portable than the normal MacBook because when you think about it obviously it isn't because if the MacBook wasn't portable it would be a mini desktop.
Well the MBA has some standout features:
Honestly, oranges to oranges, I consider the Air as competing with more expensive business class laptops with more ports and bigger numbers, but worse end user experience.
iPads cant even send SMS or make calls. The most gimped of tablets.
The rest of your list seems reasonable
Meh, in my fairly extensive experience with end users, they don’t care about that, they have phones. Different use-case.
But I recognise that we’re here amongst many fussy edge-case users. Still the best tablet by majority acclaim even if you can’t use it as a phone.
I must have a weird sample then. My uncle specifically wants that because he doesn't want to have a separate phone. So he has a Galaxy Tablet. And a colleague at work recently inquired how she would log in to the phone company website to charge the prepaid plan if she can't get the login SMS.
Yep, most people seem to have cellphones, and if you wanted to use a tablet as a phone I would suggest an android tablet (or a cheap used smartphone, TBH).
Since I started moving my family over to Apple, the amount of tech support I needed to do for them dropped to almost zero. It just works. I have my Raspberry Pis and Linux boxes for fun and my MacBook for when the computer needs to get out of the way and let me work.
That said, I have zero interest in buying this absurd fashion accessory ;)
I used to work in Apple tech support and trust me the people who buy iPhones are the least tech savvy people in the world. People dwelling in caves in prehistory would have been more capable than your average Apple customer.
A good chunk of them found the concept of plugging your iPad in occasionally to be beyond comprehension. Also that their Wi-Fi didn't have a 600 mile range and no it wouldn't work if you were in a different country.
You've just reminded me of my late sister, who insisted she could access my WiFi from 300 miles away. "How else am I getting internet?" A mystery for sure.
I focus on the hardware, OS and ecosystem which are all very good for my use and just shake my head at things like this and move on. It’s not like I approve or feel like I have to approve of everything a company does to use their products. Of course the more attuned they are to my needs the more I like them. And Apple has been a mixed bag over the years. Then again so has everyone else.
As a recovering Apple user, the hardware really is very, very good.
I have an M2 MacBook Air that is, quite frankly, the fastest computer I've ever used. Running Window in a VM within it gave me the fastest Windows computer I've ever used. I've had it two years and still get all day out of the battery. It can export a two hour AIFF recording of my radio show from Reaper in around 10 seconds. In the two years I've had it there have been perhaps three occasions where I wished I'd opted for a Pro instead.
I also have an iPad mini which is a ridiculously useful little tablet, when used in conjunction with my MacBook.
However, over the past year I've been drawing further away from their ecosystem, to the point that I mostly only use the MacBook to present my radio show because it's fanless so doesn't cause any noise issues when my mic's open. And that's as a direct result of Apple being a trash company run by corporate fuckheads who would sooner capitulate to fascists than actually fucking stand for something.
So yeah, very few of us do actually support them.
apple is cool.
lemmy people aren't cool. they are practical.
practical people are the antithesis of cool people. cool people don't care about value or function.
hence why they pay $1000s for wear it once clothing.
MacBooks are pretty practical. ARM laptops like MacBooks have genuinely ridiculously good battery life; I was genuinely shocked the first time I used one.
Yes, ARM windows exists, but it's clunky and has little support because unlike MacBooks, not all Windows laptops run ARM, so developers have little incentive to make ARM Windows versions their apps.
battery life and simplicity thats why. i used it while in COllege, and i can see why people own even the older ones.
Yeah agreed, have one at work. I just really dislike their software.