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until they have a problem with bringing in digital IDs, and the amount of data being stored by google/meta/amazon/apple/etc, this just feels like sinophobia & xenophobia. stealing & storing our data's bad in general, not just when china or russia want to do it 🤷
The expected whataboutism. Digital IDs and data stored by Gafam are bad, too, but hacking "classified government information over a period of many years" by a dictatorial state's government is another dimension.
the article feels like whataboutery in itself, imo. gchq's main thing is mass surveillance of uk citizens. if they didn't steal & store people's data, then that stolen data wouldn't be stored in one convenient central location from which to steal it 🤷
edit: i do get that it's not great that this has happened, of course. i just don't think surveillance should be seen as inevitable in the first place.
Well said. Not to mention that our gov'ts engange in offensive espionage too. So pointing at the Chinese specifically makes it at best nationalist as in we're not okay with it because it's the other team doing it to us. But it smells worse. Like .. our gov'ts are tapping undersea cables. Why wouldn't others do the same? Everyone is hoping their own quantum computer would decrypt those recorded SSH sessions. The NSA is currently trying to hamper the adoption of quantum-resistant encryption. They're operating under a fascist regime. so "But the Chinese are doing it" really sounds like whataboutism framed as concern. And that's fine everyone's doing that too but pretending otherwise is propagandist.
Calling this "sinophobia & xenophobia" is a absurdly weird. I guess it is a safe bet that everyone rejects surveillance, but as the West is criticized for it, China is defended here. The whataboutism only works in one direction. We must note thta China is actively seeking to expand its surveillance and dictatorial policies abroad. This has nothing to do with sinophobia.