"And duck the users for wanting to know in their own Linux systems which windows are opened, whether the mouse is there, send input signals to them, etc. No, Wheeland is not going to have any of those, we'll force the gazillion DEs to recreate that part of the wheel."

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If "the wheel" is achieved by making literally every application you run a keylogger, I'm very cool with Wayland "reinventing the wheel". X11's handling of user input is a fucking embarrassment.

Besides just the Steam Deck and Proton, a big reason people are finally sticking around on Linux is because using X11 feels exactly like what it is: a cobbled-together piece of archaic shit that needs to be left behind.

Wayland by contrast feels fantastic to run, and on my GTX 1070 with proprietary drivers, the only current issue I have with it is how Firefox picture-in-picture popouts don't stay on top by default.

[+] popcornpizza@lemmy.blahaj.zone -13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah well, I thought Linux was all about controlling one's own OS? Or are we now Apple and Microsoft?

Besides, the "keylogger" is pretty much essential for mouse gestures. But now we don't care about accessibility, I guess.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Has anyone so far stopped you from using your outmoded tangle of garbage? Or do you just not like that major desktop environments are switching to more sensible defaults?

If you're worried about GNOME 50 dropping X11 in the future... okay? Nobody's obliged to maintain your shit. Linux is all about choice, and it's their choice not to spend untold thousands of hours working to keep X11 usable, just like it's your choice to change your Linux to something that does still use it. Switch to any one of the other desktop environments; see if the Wayland Illuminati or whatever gives a shit.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

Hey we are penguins not ducks

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 5 points 3 days ago

'tis the wheeland experience :3. At least we can have monitors with different refresh rates tho

As is we do kinda have 2 standards, both equally bad, and you just have to pick your poison