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Czech President Petr Pavel on Thursday signed an amendment to the country’s criminal code that criminalises the promotion of communist ideology, placing it on the same footing as Nazi propaganda.

The revised legislation introduces prison sentences of up to five years for anyone who “establishes, supports or promotes Nazi, communist, or other movements which demonstrably aim to suppress human rights and freedoms or incite racial, ethnic, national, religious or class-based hatred.”

The change follows calls from Czech historical institutions, including the Institute for the Study of Totalitarian Regimes, to correct what they viewed as a legal imbalance.

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[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can fight any authoritarian ideology at any time. There is no fighting only fascism/nazism or Leninism/Maoism/Stalinism/Juche. The law signed targets specifically Soviet era propaganda and it's sympathizers and puts it on a level with Nazi propaganda, which is banned in Czechia to the extent it is banned in Germany.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Sure, like right wingers fight pedophilia when they target LGBT people.

But ok, let's take it at face value. There is no threat of a Soviet style takeover in Europe. They're beating a dead horse. So as far as dead horses go, why stop at Soviet oppression, start passing law legislating I don't know, glorifying Roman imperialism and Ottoman expansionism. Ban glorification of hussites and violent Anabaptists. Take your revenge on history. I hope the orgasm is worth it.

But then remember that there is however a rabid far right that calls European institutions "Soviet" and that has no interest in any checks and balances. They love calling social democrats "communists" and they love to talk about the threat of antifa and they love giving police more power to crack protestor skulls. If you can't see how these laws today are going to be used tomorrow by the fascists, even after what Trump is doing at the US, I don't know what else to tell you.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Hello? China? China calls itself "communist". Like all authcoms, it isn't actually socialism, but usually capitalism with "communist" aesthetics. A state creating an economic monopoly while not allowing workplace democracy is not socialism. Socialism is when the workers control the MOP, not the state. The state just creates unnecessary hierarchies in modes of economy.

Also I am for banning all parties seeking to impose authoritarian anti-democratic rule.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Is China threatening European democratic institutions in any way shape or form?

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes through hybrid warfare and illegal police. Also our extreme right is oddly pro-China.

And look at the Belt and Road Initiative where they are doing things directly out of the US imperialism playbook where they build stuff and take control of infrastructure when countries cant pay in a timely manner.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/11/02/netherlands-orders-closure-of-illegal-chinese-police-stations-in-amsterdam-and-rotterdam

https://routesjournal.org/2022/04/07/r2099/

https://brusselsmorning.com/chinese-firms-tiktok-xiaomi-face-eu-privacy-complaints/64765/

https://fadec.eu/2025/05/25/hybrid-threats-with-chinese-characteristics-the-prcs-hybrid-influence-in-the-eu/

Also China used unfair trade tactics such as massive subventions to destroy European competition in the solar panel market in the EU and is now trying to do it with EVs.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/02/13/chinese-competition-poses-existential-threat-to-europes-solar-industry

Also trying to make the EU dependent on China is also a form of imperialist measure.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know what Chinese hybrid warfare you are talking about. Any articles I've found with these keywords always seem to lump China with Russia, which I find just sensationalist. China is one of our biggest trading partners and I don't see any reason why Europe cannot find a live and let live modus vivendi with them. I mean if we can stomach the Palestinian genocide at our doorstep without a fucking peep, the Uighurs are far enough...

The illegal police issue is nowhere near an existentially serious problem that affects the viability of European democratic institutions.

And the danger of the far right has nothing to do with China.

China is an authoritarian state, yes, but it's one that for 3 decades at least has played nice with us. They are far less disruptive and threatening than the Trumpist Americans are. If Europe can find a way to work with Trumpist USA, why not with China too?

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I friggin linked you articles. Also are you for real? You are just going to downplay serious stuff as basically "it's not as bad as what others are doing"? Also just because the US and Russia are problems, doesn't mean China isn't. Most of your counterarguments are whataboutisms and deflections so far.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You edited your article afterwards, I responded to your post when it was just the first line.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't change any wording. I only added something long before you replied.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 19 hours ago

I did not say you changed wording. I am saying I started replying when your comment only contained the line "Yes through hybrid warfare and illegal police. Also our extreme right is oddly pro-China." and did not see what you added until after. You can either accept that asynchronous communications sometimes has this issue or you can believe that I'm an evil manipulative person whose trying to win internet points. 🤷

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Now that I took a peek at the articles you posted, here is my sense (and it's just a sense): none of these things are existential. They are all problems, but they do are not at the level of needing to start clamping down freedom of extreme speech in Europe, the way the Czech law does. The same cannot be said for the very real and existential threat to democracy that the resurgence and mainstream-ization of far right extremism is a threat. Meloni, Orban, Lepen, Wiilders, these kind of fascist assholes are much more of a threat to European democracy than Xi is at the moment.

China is friends with Russia. Yes, so are the rest of BRICS: India, Brazil, South Africa. How high do you want to build the wall?

This is not "whataboutism" by the way. It is looking for the balance. Liberal democracy is striking a balance and that means managing the "about these" and "about those". In this balancing act, the kind of no holds barred demonizing of China that I think you're pushing for is NOT where European democracy needs to be.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It is a whataboutism. When a problem was brought up, you turned to other problems stating they were bigger. That is what whataboutism is.

If you are not interested in being honest, why do you bother replying?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Disengaging, this is not a good faith discussion. Cheers.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago

Nice to see you being honest about yourself.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 1 points 20 hours ago

Also you can fight both the far-right and authcoms at the same time. It's called anti-authoritarianism.

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Vladimir Putin's attempts of rebuilding ‘Soviet’ Russia has been widely reported at least since Moscow's invasion of Ukraine when it started in 2014, and Putin won't stop there if successful. Russia’s threat to Europe goes beyond the battlefields of Ukraine comprising arson attacks, cyber warfare, election meddling, ... The number of Russian attacks in Europe nearly tripled between 2023 and 2024, after quadrupling between 2022 and 2023.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Putin hates Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Yes, he lionizes Stalin, but only to the extent that he can cast it as Russian imperialism. The beef is with Russian nationalism, there is zero need to drive a wedge with European left parties eg in the South, there is no reason to distract from the actual danger which is Russian imperialism and authoritarianism and it is in fact extremely dangerous to be building the legal infrastructure that fascists can and will use to crush the left.

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org -1 points 21 hours ago

Meanwhile China wringing it's hands: "Yes, distract the Europeans away from our ambitions and tell them that multitasking is impossible."

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 2 points 22 hours ago

Plus Putin not only glorifies Tsar Nicholas II but also Stalin and is outraged when monuments of Russian and Soviet imperialism are taken down in eastern European countries.